ITT: “my feelings say otherwise.”
Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
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Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno, maybe I’m weird, but without an alarm I can sleep 12 hours. And when I do, I feel like total shit: very tired, groggy, and a little depressed. If I sleep 5-7 hours on the otherhand, I feel much better.
See, I'm the opposite. Even without the screen time or stimulation, I will fall dead asleep at 10pm, and no matter what, will wake up promptly at 4am. I feel like there really are people who have different needs.
Agree. I'm in bed between 9-10 every night (later than that is an exception), and read a book on my phone as part of my sleep ritual. My phones DnD comes on at 9 so I do not get any alerts while reading. From when I get in bed to read, to when I fall asleep might be 15 minutes depending on how much exercise I did that day.
I set an alarm for 6am, but even without one I'm up between 6-7.
Personally, I think the key for people who have a hard time sleeping is consistency. If someone is trying to go to sleep at 10pm Sunday through Thursday, but then staying up until 2-3am Friday and Saturday it's no wonder they can't get on a schedule.
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great moralisms, but most of us have a hard stop from sleep at 7something am to go to work. Others of us have stress issues such that falling asleep isn't easy, and you wake up 'naturally' 45 minutes before the alarm with a mind full of worries. The whole idea of 'natural' is normative garbage. Let me guess, you sleep immediately on a plane as soon as doors close, too? We're not all built the same way.
> but most of us have a hard stop from sleep at 7something am to go to work Well that's a feature of our economy, and a whole other issue. Artifact of the industrial revolution if I'm not mistaken; "8 hrs of sleep, 8 hrs of work, 8hrs of entertainment"; which is obviously a lie and not much more than propaganda, but people seems to put up with it. It doesn't work very well you you add commute time, chores, &c. in the…
Artifact of the industrial revolution if I'm not mistaken; "8 hrs of sleep, 8 hrs of work, 8hrs of entertainment"; which is obviously a lie and not much more than propaganda, but people seems to put up with it.
You're not mistaken, just missing the critical detail: it was a demand of the labor movement. An improvement over the nightmare of far longer hours in the early industrial revolution. But we've digressed.
> The whole idea of 'natural' is normative garbage
You do you. Technology evolved much faster than our bodies during the last 200-300 years, our internal cycle still heavily relies on light (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm), now you can chose to ignore that or go with what evolution designed you for. You can brush of "natural" as being a hippie thing if you want, at the end of the day we're all slave to our bodies, better at least try to please it than to force it in "unnatural" processes.
My point was that it's kind of silly to talk about nature or natural in this context. I'm a regular IT guy, too, and unless I abscond to a place where I don't have to work ever again or have full control over my schedule, the moralisms are just salt in the wound. Most people aren't sleeping enough because of work demands and stress, not because they didn't read an article which says obvious things - yeah, we all know about natural light, blue light, screen time and caffeine at this point. What we don't know is how to pay a mortgage and 'go natural' simultaneously.
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#154Sleep is fun, people who regularly lack it will tell you they're "just fine" but they've been lacking sleep for so long that the baseline they're comparing themselves to is already skewed. Take two weeks off, avoid alcohol and other stimulant, avoid artificial light after 8 and wake up without an alarm. You'll see how you feel after that regimen. Your body knows exactly how much sleep it needs. But that's not compati…
avoid artificial light after 8 To follow this advice in my location (sunset today 6pm) should I be going to bed at 8pm? Or should I be trying to read by moonlight or something?
Haven’t heard of blue light blocker glasses. My wife and I put in red led bulbs for our nightstand lights and read paper books or magazines for about a half hour before going to sleep. I also do legs up the wall for about 10 minutes right before going to sleep and that really helps me.
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#155When I first had a kid, it was living hell. I mean, it was wonderful, and joyful (really, I'm not kidding) but waking up 5 times a night with a screaming 2 month old was effing brutal. I wore a 50 yard stare all the time, my colleagues tell me. Now, though, with an 18 month old I do a lot better - maybe even better than before having her. She still wakes up early (6:30 AM or so) BUT now that I know I absolutely, posi…
My favorite thing as a parent is telling other parents that kids are a joy. They are (after the first 10 months are over). But for that first 6-10 months, oh sweet fuck is it miserable. I honestly don't remember anything from that time period other than exhaustion. And you can see it on new parents faces. That blank, almost ptsd stare. It's hilarious.
It's a good thing we are genetically programmed to find young babies the most adorable things in the world, especially our own, no matter how loud, wrinkly or poop-producing they are. Without it, babies would never survive.
By the time the cuteness starts to wear off, the worst is over. Well, they don't listen, disobey everything, and supposedly puberty is going to be even worse, but at least you can play boardgames with them. Played X-wing with my 9 year old yesterday. That makes the 9 year investment worth it.
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is always the implicit question, and I'm guessing the answer is scientism -- material that has the form of academic product, but isn't academic. Like Jordon Peterson videos or a lot of the scientific racism stuff on Youtube. It's draped in the language of knowing, but it's purely emotional material; stuff that makes you feel good, and makes you feel smart for feeling right. (I also think the desire to drape our…
Jordan Peterson is as scientific as a social scientist gets. He cites papers and describes the work of past scientists and his premises are evidence driven. He is a professor; a professional academic. He has his opinions, positions and motives just like anyone else, but is open about them. If anything he is a rock star lecturer that exemplifies how informative, accurate, sincere, progressive, intimate, and inspiring…
> If he offends you then you either have issues or don't understand him or both, but he would gladly engage with you either way.
Hmmm no we can also think he uses mostly weak papers with dodgy methodologies and over-generalizes the conclusions. Not all scientists within a field agree with any given scientist of that field, that would be ludicrous.
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#157When I first had a kid, it was living hell. I mean, it was wonderful, and joyful (really, I'm not kidding) but waking up 5 times a night with a screaming 2 month old was effing brutal. I wore a 50 yard stare all the time, my colleagues tell me. Now, though, with an 18 month old I do a lot better - maybe even better than before having her. She still wakes up early (6:30 AM or so) BUT now that I know I absolutely, posi…
Same experience here. I felt like a dead man walking when my kiddo was born. Absolutely lifeless and ready to die. These days he is 18mo and acts as my alarm clock. Every day 6:20 sharp. Not a minute early, not a minute late. I am quite amazed actually.
I still go to bed late at times and absolutely regret it the next morning. On days when I go to bed before 10, I feel amazing - totally refreshed, happy, physically well and ready to go. On days I go to bed past 11:30 or closer to 12 - 12:30, I feel like total shit. Waking up hurts. My body aches so much and brain asleep most of the day. My eyes are closing and I cannot focus. Those days are usually the ones where my kiddo is most taxing on me, as if he knows dad feels like shit so why not make him wish he were dead.
Sleep is so damn important. Don’t skip it. I probably shaved 5-10 years of my life already.
There was a doc on Joe Rogan show talking all about sleep - so eye opening, highly recommend looking for that interview if you’d rather listen than read.
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#158Sleep is fun, people who regularly lack it will tell you they're "just fine" but they've been lacking sleep for so long that the baseline they're comparing themselves to is already skewed. Take two weeks off, avoid alcohol and other stimulant, avoid artificial light after 8 and wake up without an alarm. You'll see how you feel after that regimen. Your body knows exactly how much sleep it needs. But that's not compati…
This is exactly why I love to rent a sail for for a 1 wk holidays. This is relaxing by design : on a sail boat, you "live with the sun", there is no wifi, no 4G, you have to save your electricity...
Hey I've always wanted to do this. Any suggestions?
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#159I think the research behind this news is quite weak: only 9 days and not that many participants (18 men and 18 women).
Please support your argument with numbers. 36 participants can be plenty or can be absolutely insignificant. My partner is just in the process of getting subjects for an experiment and she's trying to estimate the required number of participants. In their case 30 participants would make the experiment useless, 40-42 would make it very powerful (significant). You can't judge the weakness of an experiment just based on…
The fourth paragraph of the article links to an article titled, "Sleeping in on the weekends can compensate for lack of sleep during the week, study suggests." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2...)
That study tracked 38,000 people over 13 years. "People who slept for fewer than the recommended seven hours each weekday, but caught an extra hour or two on weekends, lived just as long as people who always slept seven hours, the authors reported."
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#160When I first had a kid, it was living hell. I mean, it was wonderful, and joyful (really, I'm not kidding) but waking up 5 times a night with a screaming 2 month old was effing brutal. I wore a 50 yard stare all the time, my colleagues tell me. Now, though, with an 18 month old I do a lot better - maybe even better than before having her. She still wakes up early (6:30 AM or so) BUT now that I know I absolutely, posi…
My favorite thing as a parent is telling other parents that kids are a joy. They are (after the first 10 months are over). But for that first 6-10 months, oh sweet fuck is it miserable. I honestly don't remember anything from that time period other than exhaustion. And you can see it on new parents faces. That blank, almost ptsd stare. It's hilarious.
You’re a joy to be around. Haha.