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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty much up to individual states.

Except there is federal law on this that affects their decisions. [0] I wish we would at least call it "summer time" instead of the lie "daylight savings time." There's no daylight "saved." [0] http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/usc.html

The ‘savings’ refers to the energy saved, not the daylight.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about energy savings ? (genuinely curious)

According to Wiki, very small: A 2017 meta-analysis of 44 studies found that DST leads to electricity savings of only 0.34% during the days when DST applies.[81][82] The meta-analysis furthermore found that "electricity savings are larger for countries farther away from the equator, while subtropical regions consume more electricity because of DST."[81][82] This means that DST may conserve electricity in some countri…

Thanks a lot

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     A 2017 meta-analysis of 44 studies found that DST leads to
     electricity savings of only 0.34% during the days when DST
     applies.[81][82] The meta-analysis furthermore found that
     "electricity savings are larger for countries farther away from the
     equator, while subtropical regions consume more electricity because
     of DST."[81][82] This means that DST may conserve electricity in
     some countries, such as Canada and the United Kingdom, but be
     wasteful in other places, such as Mexico, the southern United
     States, and northern Africa. The savings in electricity may also be
     offset by extra use of other types of energy, such as heating fuel.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep.

Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker. I like having a bit of daylight in the mornings in the winter, and I’ll miss it when it’s gone. As I’m sure a lot of people will when they realise that getting ‘rid’ of it makes the winter worse, not the summer better.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

That’s why we should get rid of “it” in te summer, where it was added to begin with.

anyone who’s a light sleeper appreciates how harmful daylight savings is.

Plus no one stops anyone from waking up an hour earlier. But I bloody well can’t sleep in an hour later!

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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The `daylight saving` purpose is intriguing. I'm very curious why people long time ago, decided to change clocks, instead of work/school start and finish times. Like we start in April at 8:00 am, and in November, at 9:00.

I believe the reason is that it costs less to move the hands of a clock than to print and distribute new timetables for trains, buses, etc. That could cost less today because we use much less paper, but updating web sites and databases is still a large amount of work. It's far easier to communicate to all the country when to move the clock and keep everything else the same.

It actually costs in an entirely different way, when you screw with everybody's sleeping schedules, cause accidents with wildlife getting surprised by brisk changes in traffic peaks. Personally, I never dealt well with the change, either, so this means I have one less thing to worry about in pollinosis season. Good riddance.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

#156

So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

Year-round summer time sounds horrifying, is there anything I can do to prevent it?

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

#157
post #133

The `daylight saving` purpose is intriguing. I'm very curious why people long time ago, decided to change clocks, instead of work/school start and finish times. Like we start in April at 8:00 am, and in November, at 9:00.

Growing up in India (which has no DST), that's how it worked. School would start later during the winter months.

Bravo India! You 1. Don’t have this stupid time shift. 2. You don’t patronize your citizens’ ability

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #147
post #105

A change which may be rational closer to the equator, but which makes less sense in Edinburgh or further north surely?

I spent a year in Edinburgh. The sun rose after 9am in winter, after I started classes, and set at 4pm, before I got home. DST prevented me from ever seeing the sun for weeks. I went mad.

DST is not in effect during winter.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

#159

Title improvement suggestion: EU Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings IMHO, EU institutions should always be referred as such instead as related to a continent, i.e., "EU Parliament" is more correct than "European Parliament"

Calling the European Parliament "EU Parliament" would be like calling the US Congress "USA Parliament". Not wrong, but silly.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

> "I like having a bit of daylight in the mornings in the winter"

I am the opposite. For me, the early morning winter sunrise is an annoyance, and just feels a waste of daylight if it's bright outside when I'm asleep. Sometimes in mid-winter it seems like its already starting to get dark when I'm just getting started with my day. Awful!

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