Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie • Hacker News Board

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by krageon » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

dasanman wrote: post #10

bgentry wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it may feel this way, the science strongly indicates this is not the case. The study in the linked article is one proof point. Many others are summarized in Matthew Walker’s “Why We Sleep”.

But if it "feels that way", doesnt that have something to say as well?

The important thing to keep in mind there is that it doesn't much matter what the science tells you: It makes you feel better and it costs you almost nothing. That makes it a valuable pursuit even if we couldn't find evidence for it working (though another post in this chain mentions some evidence that it does work for a single week).

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by xster » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

kuu wrote: post #15

I think the research behind this news is quite weak: only 9 days and not that many participants (18 men and 18 women).

This needs to be top comment. Society's tolerance for bombastic 'journalistic' claims with no consequences is the source of so much of our present issues.

Conclusions are cheap.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by bitcoinmoney » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

Golfkid2Gadfly wrote: post #16

No amount of sleep will make you feel well if your entire life is economically and, therefore, emotionally stressed because your country does not care about you. Provide affordable health care, affordable quality day care, living wages, and housing security, and people will sleep like babies all the time. America will be the richer.

Aren’t you describing Europe though?

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by krageon » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:55 AM UTC

gdfasfklshg4 wrote: post #2

Is this model actually GDPR compliant? EDIT Either way I definitely don't want to trigger another conversation on the ethics of script/tracking/ad-blocking. I am wondering if this subscribe-with-your-data model is legally compliant with the GDPR. This is not a moral question (or at least I am not interested in a moral answer).

No, it is not legally compliant. It maybe has lost a little bit of value to actually discuss this as it's been done so, so much. If you are very interested in what is and what is not compliant, you can read the resources published by the EU on the GDPR. They are very legible and relatively easy to understand.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by mahgnous » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:55 AM UTC

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Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by speedplane » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:58 AM UTC

krageon wrote: post #24

gdfasfklshg4 wrote: post #2

Is this model actually GDPR compliant? EDIT Either way I definitely don't want to trigger another conversation on the ethics of script/tracking/ad-blocking. I am wondering if this subscribe-with-your-data model is legally compliant with the GDPR. This is not a moral question (or at least I am not interested in a moral answer).

No, it is not legally compliant. It maybe has lost a little bit of value to actually discuss this as it's been done so, so much. If you are very interested in what is and what is not compliant, you can read the resources published by the EU on the GDPR. They are very legible and relatively easy to understand.

> you can read the resources published by the EU on the GDPR. They are very legible and relatively easy to understand.

Reading the guidelines is not the tricky part of GDPR. The hard part is: "I have a website, am I compliant or what do I have to change to become compliant?" Mapping the guidelines on to real world systems is where the difficult analysis comes in.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by MickerNews » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:58 AM UTC

This would seem to imply that the concept of 'sleep debt' is a lie.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by omeid2 » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 7:59 AM UTC

xster wrote: post #22

kuu wrote: post #15

I think the research behind this news is quite weak: only 9 days and not that many participants (18 men and 18 women).

This needs to be top comment. Society's tolerance for bombastic 'journalistic' claims with no consequences is the source of so much of our present issues. Conclusions are cheap.

> ...source of so much of our present issues.

and past issues.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by diminoten » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 8:08 AM UTC

dasanman wrote: post #10

bgentry wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it may feel this way, the science strongly indicates this is not the case. The study in the linked article is one proof point. Many others are summarized in Matthew Walker’s “Why We Sleep”.

But if it "feels that way", doesnt that have something to say as well?

No, because it's not predictive. Thousands of things could cause that feeling, there's no telling it's the catch up sleep.

The point is you can't do anything with his anecdote. It gives you no more information about what you should do, and is therefore technically useless.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by welly » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 8:09 AM UTC

freddie_mercury wrote: post #13

dasanman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if it "feels that way", doesnt that have something to say as well?

In the absence of any actual evidence? Generally we take self-reported feelings as not especially strong evidence. Maybe all it says is they grew up thinking that "weekend sleeping helped catch-up" and now they only remember the confirming evidence and discard the disconfirming evidence to support their confirmation bias?

I think the actual evidence, for the OP, is that he/she feels better. I don't think it matters if no one else feels better. OP isn't making a scientific claim other than they feel better after a weekend of sleep.