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Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by gotrythis »

I saw this post this morning and actually spent the afternoon redoing my personal website with nicepage.com's editor.

While there were a few annoyances, it is one of the best visual web editors I've experienced, and it only took a few hours to redo my home page, without watching any of their training. I am impressed.

The site I'm redoing was built on bootstrap. The results on nicepage looks close to identical, but it was much easier to make versions for different sizes, as I could rearrange elements however I wanted, allowing me to customize my site more than I can with bootstrap for different devices.

The code even looks reasonably clean compared to what I've seen from other visual editors.

So, while the article was all about these more artistic layouts, it's a pretty good tool for putting together a "web 2.0" site if you don't feel like coding it yourself. No way I could have done it that fast by hand, and the results are good enough for me.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by Theodores »

greensoup wrote: post #66
Theodores wrote: post #13

I think that there is much to learn from 'electronic music'. This differed from what came before in the way that the web differed from print. With early techno music you could press a few buttons on a gadget box and it would play the beat for you, on top of this you could sample things and mix them in. Before that drummers had to actually keep time and singers had to hit their notes. Then computers came along. Some o…

Interesting, I`m thinkning in another direction. With every step into makeing things easier, you lose something. With neural networks, we cant see how or why. With electronic music. the button that lets an orchestra play with one push, makes it more difficult to change one instrument. For webdesign / development: with tools that help you, it is harder to get things really how you want. I notice this personally as wel…

There was a lot wrong with HTML and it only got a layout engine two years ago. People learned all the hacks, starting with table layouts, the the responsive div soup and then the frameworks to make it easier to make more div soup, not forgetting the build tools. There is sunk cost in this learning and a visual design process that goes with it. Anyone can make something complex.

To give that up and to take a content first approach with no visual mockups and semantic HTML is a bit too much to give up when you have teams built around the process. A younger generation starting from scratch can avoid all of this. Or they can just use Squarespace with the status quo continuing a lot longer.

The thing is that there are universities and colleges that do teach basic HTML. This will be taught with the modern HTML5 elements not too soon. When people who learn this stuff then get to do real projects they might baulk at using frameworks and libraries that are another thing to learn that is a bit unnecessary as they can achieve their design goals with what they already know.

This is 'intrinsic web design', using the inherent built in properties of the browser, keeping it simple and binning the frameworks, polyfills, libraries and visual mockup tools.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by whalabi »

An image of a bunch of photo frames displayed not in the shape of a rectangle is shown, then the writer says: "You notice the dramatic changes in Design (sic) in general nowadays. Design has seen rapid progress in all areas."

Seems pretty damn inane if you ask me.

> Agree that these examples look like modern Print Design and Web Design 3.0? Why is this happening? Nobody wants to see boring Grids from the past on their walls.

Pretty sure this is content farm swill.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by oliwarner »

It's this satire? It's awful.

"Free positioning" isn't new. I was dragging absolutely positioned divs and image maps around in Dreamweaver 3, 20 years ago.

These chumps think they've reinvented design. Instead they've just unearthed exactly the same problems that Bootstrap helped control.

Seriously. Some of us have been through the hell of uninformed design choices. Mystery meat navigation, never knowing what you can or should click, criminally insane typography, and fixed resolution design. Leave in in the 90s.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by exodust »

This is nothing but a "marketing 3.0" advertisement for a product called "nice page".

Someone likely advised them to write a blog article all about how everyone needs "web design 3.0", and position the product as the solution to everyone's problem.

The thing is, they forgot about responsive design. If everything is overlapping everything else, you will end up with a very nasty problem of what to do on different size screens, and scrolling, and font size, and zoom levels etc.

You can safely skip the article, as it's nothing but a messy concept around "web design 3.0" (which isn't a thing) and a lead into the inevitable pricing page...

https://nicepage.com/premium

"no coding needed". (for your messy looking web design 3.0 page)

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by exodust »

devmunchies wrote: post #47

This company doesn't have an "about us" page or a profile on Crunchbase, and LinkedIn only shows a single developer working at this company, yet it shows Amazon, Getty Images, Microsoft, etc as customers on the homepage. I don't have a problem with small companies (Indie Hacker myself), I just wanted to learn more about the founding team to see if this is some fly by night company or if they have some solid experienc…

It's a sham.

Scroll down home page to their "testimonial" from web designer "Allan Hollander". There's a picture of him. He's a good looking chap, and the photo looks like stock art, because it is....

https://www.stocklayouts.com/Solutions/Graphic-Designs.aspx

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by exodust »

gotrythis wrote: post #71

I saw this post this morning and actually spent the afternoon redoing my personal website with nicepage.com's editor. While there were a few annoyances, it is one of the best visual web editors I've experienced, and it only took a few hours to redo my home page, without watching any of their training. I am impressed. The site I'm redoing was built on bootstrap. The results on nicepage looks close to identical, but it…

They need you as their testimonial instead of the fake one they have on their page currently.

I would recommend scanning for malware if you installed anything from nicepage.com

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by droptablemain »

While the article has some interesting points, it is quite poorly written. Additionally, it creates a problem that does not exist for the purpose of pushing its corporate propaganda. Web 3.0 -- the semantic web -- is a legit thing. Web Design 3.0 then, by default, would almost certainly be mobile first, and thus this manufactured "need" of free positioning becomes basically irrelevant.
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