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Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by radley » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #24

I've never heard about "Web Design 3.0" before, but now I know a term to describe websites that care more about artistic expression than bringing across information. Seriously, most of the examples of "Web Design 3.0" look like a piece of modern art. That's great for showcasing your portfolio as a web designer, but if you try to be artsy with the menu of your restaurant I'm going to the competitor. Compare the "Web 2…

I think their templates section provide a better example of practical uses and design: https://nicepage.com/templates

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by pault » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #24

I've never heard about "Web Design 3.0" before, but now I know a term to describe websites that care more about artistic expression than bringing across information. Seriously, most of the examples of "Web Design 3.0" look like a piece of modern art. That's great for showcasing your portfolio as a web designer, but if you try to be artsy with the menu of your restaurant I'm going to the competitor. Compare the "Web 2…

It depends on your customers. If you are building a curated link aggregator for graphic designers, this is an appropriate UI style and may gain you users over a more utilitarian UI.

Edit: This is for brochureware that has very little content and lots of branding.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by bonestamp2 » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

radley wrote: post #41

jeroenhd wrote: post #24

I've never heard about "Web Design 3.0" before, but now I know a term to describe websites that care more about artistic expression than bringing across information. Seriously, most of the examples of "Web Design 3.0" look like a piece of modern art. That's great for showcasing your portfolio as a web designer, but if you try to be artsy with the menu of your restaurant I'm going to the competitor. Compare the "Web 2…

I think their templates section provide a better example of practical uses and design: https://nicepage.com/templates

Good link, and some of those are a step up, but many (not all) are pretty typical for bootstrap layouts and I don't think it's a big enough step to call it "Web 3.0". The jump to "Web 2.0" was as much about web applications (functionality) as it was about visual design (aesthetics). WebAssembly will probably be the true Web 3.0 once it is as easy to build as Web 2.0 applications.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by phaedryx » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:38 PM UTC

It reminds me of when Bill Watterson was allowed full control of the Sunday strip layouts and he started to break free from the grid: https://imgur.com/a/wjcnuXh

I would argue it isn't just "artistic", but it conveys they ideas better in this case.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by fbelzile » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:49 PM UTC

bonestamp2 wrote: post #43

radley wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think their templates section provide a better example of practical uses and design: https://nicepage.com/templates

Good link, and some of those are a step up, but many (not all) are pretty typical for bootstrap layouts and I don't think it's a big enough step to call it "Web 3.0". The jump to "Web 2.0" was as much about web applications (functionality) as it was about visual design (aesthetics). WebAssembly will probably be the true Web 3.0 once it is as easy to build as Web 2.0 applications.

It's as if they are versioning web design for marketing purposes to show how "forward thinking" they are.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by lewisjoe » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

When it comes to creative freedom vs reusable blocks, the latter will always win. Period.

Assembly language provided creative ways to solve a problem. C won because it had patterns to solve them across projects.

Word processors provide creative ways to layout your document. Yet markdown is winning because it solves the layout problem with reusable syntax.

People like patterns and reusability. Be it developers who want to reuse code or the users who want to reuse their previous knowledge. Practicality will eventually win. The arguments for Web 3.0 goes against this very funda. I doubt it will ever catch up.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by devmunchies » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

This company doesn't have an "about us" page or a profile on Crunchbase, and LinkedIn only shows a single developer working at this company, yet it shows Amazon, Getty Images, Microsoft, etc as customers on the homepage.

I don't have a problem with small companies (Indie Hacker myself), I just wanted to learn more about the founding team to see if this is some fly by night company or if they have some solid experience in this space or some investors.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by extra88 » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 7:16 PM UTC

mattferderer wrote: post #31

fbelzile wrote: post #22

> The use of Bootstrap and the spread of templates made Web Design boring. Boring maybe, but Bootstrap is extremely practical for non-designers like me. I feel like Bootstrap captured more than 80% of the features I want for less than 20% of the time (or cost) it would take to make something from scratch. Second, navigation on websites became much more predictable. The examples they show of Web Design 3.0 look diffic…

Bootstrap & templates didn't make web design boring. People using them without much modifications did. I think Bootstrap is trying to offer both an out of the box template like framework & utility framework in their latest & upcoming releases. Foundation also does this. Whereas something like Tailwind does a nice job of being just a utility framework. I think there is a lot of value in using any of the above dependin…

And those who don't modify Bootstrap also probably load the whole damn thing instead of just the parts they're actually using. They use a CDN-hosted copy and say "eh, performance isn't an issue because the files are probably in the user's cache anyway." Except the files aren't in the cache more often than not.

Bootstrap has flaws but they keep improving it. A non-professional designer using Bootstrap is a better outcome most of the time compared to no CSS framework or using many of the others.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by adjkant » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 7:25 PM UTC

I'm not a designer but it made me sad when I got to the end to realize this was the opinion of a web design company trying to justify itself and not a true/honest look into the future of web design. From the comments here from actual designers it seems like "3.0" is not a real thing, just a term they created to try and position themselves ahead of website design companies that doing well today when in reality they are simply one option among many that optimizes for different things. The 2 axis graph at the end felt particularly disingenuous, as did things like a screenshot for the search "design is dead", which isn't really a good formal argument for something existing. It felt far too much like creating an answer and then making up a justification to get there.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by mgkimsal » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

re: the examples under "Web Design 3.0 is about the designer's freedom"...

In 1997, I was tasked with making 'layout designs' like these in to 'webpages'. "Designers" have always had freedom of position/layout, even (especially?) when it was a PITA to achieve.