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Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by mattferderer »

fbelzile wrote: post #22

> The use of Bootstrap and the spread of templates made Web Design boring. Boring maybe, but Bootstrap is extremely practical for non-designers like me. I feel like Bootstrap captured more than 80% of the features I want for less than 20% of the time (or cost) it would take to make something from scratch. Second, navigation on websites became much more predictable. The examples they show of Web Design 3.0 look diffic…

Bootstrap & templates didn't make web design boring. People using them without much modifications did.

I think Bootstrap is trying to offer both an out of the box template like framework & utility framework in their latest & upcoming releases. Foundation also does this. Whereas something like Tailwind does a nice job of being just a utility framework.

I think there is a lot of value in using any of the above depending on your skill level. They all solve common problems so you don't have to.

A good HTML/CSS designer/developer should have no problem extending & customizing them either so that they don't look like every other site using them. No reason to rebuild everything from scratch.

On an additional note, it depends what the website is trying to mirror as to how you want to layout the content. A news site is often best done similar to a newspaper with nice table like structure.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by mattferderer »

> Web design 3.0 is the new dimension. It has the free positioning of elements, overlapping, and layers like in Graphic Design tools. It opens the new prospects for Web Design. And it is the beginning of the new Web Design era.

No offense to the author but this is not new. Of course neither is Web XXX 3.0 which has been used for over a decade.

I'm somewhat sad to see the Flash era wasn't mentioned. A lot of this non positioning was done back then in the late 90's & early 00's. And one can not forget the days of giant images in Photoshop spliced apart to make a web page.

Content should determine design strategy 99.9% of the time.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by antoineMoPa »

Any other hackers and wannabe designers using Inkscape to prototype web app layout? It is good solution for these kinds of layout with free positioning.

I suggest you learn it as it is free and useful in many others aspects of life (Cropping pdfs for including in lab reports, making simple icons, making vector figures, etc.).

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by tomnipotent »

> Web Design 3.0 is about the designer's freedom

Which is exactly why it'll never take off. Design is only one part of a larger whole, and I can't think of a single business or website that shows the "designer's freedom" and is still in business.

Websites with byzantine navigation or difficult-to-decipher layouts are designer masturbation that create frustration rather than solve problems.

No thanks.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by H1Supreme »

vanadium wrote: post #17

I guess I'm confused by Nicepage being "Web Design 3.0", being told Bootstrap is yesteryear, then using Bootstrap 3.x.x (and a boatload of jQueryUI dependencies) with !important directives sprinkled all over the place. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty on the front-end, but the technical choices are still rather confusing after reading the article. https://nicepage.com/Content/BundledScripts/main-libs.js https://nicepa…

> I guess I'm confused by Nicepage being "Web Design 3.0"

Yeah, it's kind of ironic that my first thought was "this looks a canned Bootstrap site". And, not a very good one at that.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mattferderer wrote: post #31
fbelzile wrote: post #22

> The use of Bootstrap and the spread of templates made Web Design boring. Boring maybe, but Bootstrap is extremely practical for non-designers like me. I feel like Bootstrap captured more than 80% of the features I want for less than 20% of the time (or cost) it would take to make something from scratch. Second, navigation on websites became much more predictable. The examples they show of Web Design 3.0 look diffic…

Bootstrap & templates didn't make web design boring. People using them without much modifications did. I think Bootstrap is trying to offer both an out of the box template like framework & utility framework in their latest & upcoming releases. Foundation also does this. Whereas something like Tailwind does a nice job of being just a utility framework. I think there is a lot of value in using any of the above dependin…

Bootstrap's long delayed transition away from pixel sizing contributed to the problem.

Re: Web Design 3.0: When Your Web Design Matters

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Post by radley »

dmalik wrote: post #27
fbelzile wrote: post #22

> The use of Bootstrap and the spread of templates made Web Design boring. Boring maybe, but Bootstrap is extremely practical for non-designers like me. I feel like Bootstrap captured more than 80% of the features I want for less than 20% of the time (or cost) it would take to make something from scratch. Second, navigation on websites became much more predictable. The examples they show of Web Design 3.0 look diffic…

> Second, navigation on websites became much more predictable. The examples they show of Web Design 3.0 look difficult to navigate. Aside from increasing dwell time from confused users, there probably isn't a big benefit. Jakobs law comes to mind on this point - https://lawsofux.com/jakobs-law

If you look closely, all three examples have standard navigation (top menu). The main difference is that elements can overlap in the presentation layer (i.e. body) while still benefiting from a grid system. People have seen this type of layout in print for decades, so Jacob's Law isn't broken.
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