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And tons that will be willing to replace them.
Anyone who says "but others will do it instead" to excuse something they're doing is those other people. And someone doing something evil that I chose to not do doesn't actually replace me -- I'm still me, and I'm still glad to have made that choice.
AdSense China grew 60% last year. Yeah Google is making a profit in China. which need some kind of tool to support it. Maybe harvest list of content you are not allowed to advertise with?
If Google didn't use a monorepo, it would have been much harder for these employees to keep tabs on Dragonfly-related code.
I also don't feel right making judgement on a project when I've only heard one side of the story, from a source which is clearly biased against it.
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"they'll also have complete control over them" "But why should Googlers care?" This is a dumb take. Googlers are the one reporting/protesting all of these things. This is a very different situation than Facebook where most of the leaking has been external. It's also different than HN's reaction to Apple, which apparently can whatever it wants to its Chinese users. The world is not black and white, it is gray. And som…
Here are two realistic facts: 1. Google would be absolutely fine if they do not expand into China. They would not collapse or lose their competitive edge if they refrained from doing so. You've worked at Google for over a decade so you should know this is true. 2. Google's censored search engine would absolutely facilitate Xi Jinping ability to censor the Chinese people and would set a dangerous precedent for other g…
Alphabet is a Deleware corporation, where executives that leave money on the table for moral reasons have to at least claim that it was their business judgment that the action would ultimately increase profits for shareholder value in the long term.
There are many arguments those executives could make, such as that employees could get dissatisfied with the company and cost them more in the long run, so it is important for employees to be loud about it.
it's kinda like that pushback from MS that was puzzling too....whether you like it or not, the very work you are doing in university to where you end up workiung, directly or indirectly contributes to somebody on the other side of the planet not having the things you have so you can keep the stuff you have....
the entitlement, and the blatant ignorance is just mind boggling...where does this mentality come from? This type of shit is now encroaching even video games... in Battlefield V, the game has been completely neutered of its historic accuracy....Redheaded cutie with a robot arm in WW2?
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No, it's not. "Everyone else is doing it" is not an excuse to help put people in camps.
It is if you doing it puts fewer people in camps than the alternative.
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If corporations are people, then laws are corporation's moral compass. The solution would likely be to produce regulations to provide a moral compass to corporations so that they are required to exhibit the behavior we would like them to have. Corporations are legal automatons, and need to be treated as such. This doesn't necessarily mean we need more rules - we could easily improve regulation by creating rules with…
This is pretty challenging for a multinational corporation operating in a globalized world. The issue here is that Google is trying to produce a product that conforms to Chinese laws for doing business in China. These laws are deeply offensive and immoral to many people in Google's largely-American workforce. Trying to create a moral compass that multinational corporations can live by requires creating laws that appl…
There's no real issue with creating laws that apply to everybody here. Google is developing this thing in US. Therefore, American laws - and American cultural sensibilities - apply. If they don't want that, then they can do that development in China, by the workforce (and I mean executives in charge of the project as well as coders) that is subject to the same laws that they're working to implement.
I don't get the pushback....you signed up to work for a for-profit publicly traded corporation. You received your benefits and compensation. Now suddenly, you have a problem with your employer trying to do its job which is continue to please wall street that impacts the share price? it's kinda like that pushback from MS that was puzzling too....whether you like it or not, the very work you are doing in university to…
Corporations are composed of people. To imply that this relieves people of any moral responsibility for the actions of corporations is absurd.
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Pushback from employees, human rights groups, and congress has already significantly set back the project. The fight has to continue, but I don't understand your defeatism. Source: I publicly resigned from Google over dragonfly and dedicated months of my life and income to fighting it.
I admire you courage but have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong on this? Probability that China would change anything because of lack of Google products is about zero. In fact, not having Google benefits them even more because now there is no one reviewing of any censorship rules. If Google is there (1) they can minimize censorship as much as possible by pushing back frequently (2) people in Chin…
google.com exists and serves Chinese queries. If the Chinese Communist Party wants to continue blocking that because they don't like their citizens learning about human rights or Nobel prizes (yes, that is literally on the blacklist), then that is their option. But, for an American tech company to actively aid them for profit is a bridge too far.
I refuse to help normalize what I now know to be a history of American tech companies committing human rights abuses in exchange for access to foreign funding (with Cisco's creation of a surveilance and torture-management system targeting the Falun Gong being a particularly disturbing example).
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Pushback from employees, human rights groups, and congress has already significantly set back the project. The fight has to continue, but I don't understand your defeatism. Source: I publicly resigned from Google over dragonfly and dedicated months of my life and income to fighting it.
I admire you courage but have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong on this? Probability that China would change anything because of lack of Google products is about zero. In fact, not having Google benefits them even more because now there is no one reviewing of any censorship rules. If Google is there (1) they can minimize censorship as much as possible by pushing back frequently (2) people in Chin…
Depends on the culture. Currently the Chinese government is doing its best to eradicate certain cultures and put their adherents in concentration camps[1].
It isn't just a censorship issue. Dragonfly would help put people in camps.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-...