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Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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So can wheels. You shouldn't ban general purpose technology because of particular bad uses.

A lot of general purpose technologies are restricted to safe use.

Restricting it to safe use is what the preexisting law does.

Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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Politicians will always come up with dangerously worded good intentions every once in a while, regardless of which parliament it is — national or European. At least at the European level the number of folk that pick up on the risks of such articles is significantly higher than at the national level — especially for smaller countries. Asking for feedback on complex legislature proposals is surely preferable to exclusi…

Each body that can introduce legislation represents a possible attack vector against our remaining freedom. Each additional tear of government is more distant from the voter, more difficult to oversee, communicate with and oppose. I have to ask why should such piece of legislation exist in the first place? What problems of today does it aim to solve? What is the quantified impact of these problems that we need to ado…

The trade-off for delegating some of the national sovereignty to the EU is that as independent nations we cannot trade and deal with other powerful entities such as the US and China nearly as effectively. For example, a country like the Netherlands risks having trade deals dictated to them rather than negotiated as equals.

With the Brexit looming over the United Kingdom, already the effects of leaving the influence of the EU bloc behind are becoming clear, with the US attempting to dictate the terms of their post-EU trade deal.

Regulation such as this is necessary to harmonize the various national laws on this subject so manufacturers can target the single market of the EU without having to certify their gear in each member state. This is mentioned in the documents about this law as well (I've closed my browser tabs after submitting my feedback, but it's there). I'm not too well versed in this matter, but the net-benefit seems to be economic.

The EU and it democratic institutions can be vastly improved, but we are better of with them than without them — especially now.

Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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Reminds me of the ongoing fight over crypto-legislation. "They only have to win once, you have to be vigilant and win every single time" I also suspect that the current patent mess is a result of failing to win the continual defensive battle. I'd be interested to hear from any law or political theorists regarding this seemingly deep flaw in the system. What could be done to mitigate it? How do we stop the same bad la…

>They only have to win once, you have to be vigilant and win every single time The law is not a blockchain ledger. If bad law gets in, it can also get removed later.

That's not so easy for EU laws. The only body that can propose new EU laws is the European Commission, which ordinary voters have essentially no influence over. (Some of the non-EU Europe-wide bodies are even worse.)

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Sure, but it'll also make it easier to revert.

Which doesn’t matter because it wouldn’t. The UK is master of crazy laws like this. Just consider the porn ID verification and more.

Change takes time, it may take 100+ years but I don't see why I would intentionally put even more barriers in front of a hard enough goal.

Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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So can wheels. You shouldn't ban general purpose technology because of particular bad uses.

I agree with you, but for anyone following EU rules and regulations, this ship has sailed a long time ago. Drugs, guns, radio are just part of a huge long list of "general purpose technology" that have been regulated out of existence.

That sounds like a hot take. I'm pretty sure most EU residents are very satisfied that they don't have to fea for their safety for gun violence when they walk home late at night or just in general.

Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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Are they cool with you installing whatever you want on whatever you own - or are you in "cutting off the nose to spite the face" mode?

Have you read it? It would mean, for example, the end of OpenWrt. What about the rest of recent terrible regulations and laws?

The section in question lists different points and then says:

"The Commission shall be empowered to adopt delegated acts in accordance with Article 44 specifying which categories or classes of radio equipment are concerned by each of the requirements set out in points (a) to (i) of the first subparagraph of this paragraph."

So it says that the Commission has a way to decide which categories/classes of radios fall under e.g. point (i). This does not mean ALL radio devices would automatically be subject to the point (i).

Or am I missing something?

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Right, but why would they want to regulate SDR?

maybe because they can be used for many nefarious purposes?

Like what? I'm not being flippant here, I'm really in the dark. What harm can one do with an SDR, and how does the potential for abuse compare to e.g. a cell phone?

Re: Protest against the EU radio lockdown

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I agree with you, but for anyone following EU rules and regulations, this ship has sailed a long time ago. Drugs, guns, radio are just part of a huge long list of "general purpose technology" that have been regulated out of existence.

That sounds like a hot take. I'm pretty sure most EU residents are very satisfied that they don't have to fea for their safety for gun violence when they walk home late at night or just in general.

>don't have to fea for their safety for gun violence when they walk home late at night or just in general.

Neither do "most US residents".

More to the point, your focus on guns is missing the larger point. There is very real and immediate dissatisfaction with the EU regulatory landscape. See: Brexit.

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