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German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by m_fayer »

adventured wrote: post #2

I'm waiting for the inevitable EU firewall that will ultimately be required to aggressively control all Internet usage for anyone in the EU. It can end no other way than that. Particularly as these draconian regulations continue to get worse. How else will they enforce these policies against foreign entities that can trivially ignore them while still serving EU users? They have to put a stop to that, as it's an easy…

Don't get why this is getting voted down. This scenario is on the gloomy side, but also insightful and a little too plausible for comfort.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by jplayer01 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #36
nerdponx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulation is good for the big guys. It hurts Google less than it hurts competition.

This isn't true, and never has been true. It's a constant cry of the monopolist to claim regulations help them. It's a lie we need to stop propagating and giving attention to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

It's totally a thing and actually happens a lot. See AT&T.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by jplayer01 »

ahartmetz wrote: post #31
expertentipp wrote: post #29

If advisory of German specialists from the either side will make the internet in the EU anything like the internet in Germany, in any regard, people will be really pissed. Kindly bugger off and let decide those from the places were the internet works.

That comment makes no sense in this context.

It does in a way. Article 13 is largely a product of French and German politicians. Just because the German data commissioner says something like this doesn't mean there aren't plenty of German politicians eager to implement Article 13.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

jplayer01 wrote: post #42
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't true, and never has been true. It's a constant cry of the monopolist to claim regulations help them. It's a lie we need to stop propagating and giving attention to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture It's totally a thing and actually happens a lot. See AT&T.

The main issue you are missing is that Google and Netflix are screaming desperately, and spending billions funding groups decrying that "oh no, our monopolies will be protected if these laws are passed".

Myths aside, these companies are not complaining about repealing net neutrality[1], copyright reform, etc. out of the goodness of their hearts and their desires to protect competition or the free internet or whatever other nonsense they're peddling. They're lying about the impact because they want to continue to rake in profits at the expense of everyone else, and they well know the changes in the law that are coming are going to turn off the free faucet.

[1]The irony of this one in particular, is that net neutrality assures regulatory capture. ;)

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by 1waYstilltheree »

A little off-topic and a real mental leap, but wayback (hundreds of years), the katholic church was the one with a information-monopoly (dome-building, history and mint studies for example) crawled with the years by the principle of syncretism. All the katholic church had to do, was to use their 'Leitungsschutz' (german word) to make their bucks... history... info-bits -sure... ^^

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by raverbashing »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #17
adventured wrote: post #2

I'm waiting for the inevitable EU firewall that will ultimately be required to aggressively control all Internet usage for anyone in the EU. It can end no other way than that. Particularly as these draconian regulations continue to get worse. How else will they enforce these policies against foreign entities that can trivially ignore them while still serving EU users? They have to put a stop to that, as it's an easy…

I think it's going to be more like a reverse firewall, so to say: non-EU companies geo blocking IP addresses of EU origin. This is already happening because of the GDPR. We might lose access to sites like Reddit and maybe even GitHub from inside the EU. I don't think the parties pushing for this legislation are fully aware of how deeply this might impact the technology sector, directly and especially indirectly.

Github is (thankfully) excepted

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by rurban »

What Cory misses is that the proposed legislation is technically impossible to implement. Even giants like Facebook and Google cannot do content violation filtering on every media, like text submitted by text area boxes ("citations" over de copying the minimis limit), sound and video. Maintaining hashes of protected content is also technically impossible. Who's gone decide which data will get processed, and from where?

Only the previous legislation is technically implementable, the current proposal will make user input on all European websites illegal, like Hacker news, reddit, WordPress blogs with comments, wikis like wikipedia, YouTube, Facebook,... you name it. Since Article 13 is such a monumental fuckup people will either ignore it, leading to risk of becoming a random target, or disable all userinput at all. which will be the death of internet 2.0 in europe.

even a theoretical central filtering service will not be able to solve this problem, because registering and filtering all worldwide protected content is not feasible. there will be 5% of some big studios and press agencies content hashed, but not much else. adding legislation on this idea is just destructive. the previous legislation is the only practical and useful way.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by walterstucco »

koonsolo wrote: post #38

I'm currently creating an online platform with user generated content. I'm based in Belgium, but if this bill passes, it leaves me no choice but to take my company abroad. Funny how the EU tries to compete with US startups and multinationals, with various incentives, and then tries to get this crap enforced on all of these same companies within the EU. Bunch of idiots. Although I live within the EU, I hope various co…

You are already responsible for the content users post on your website.

One way to get rid of competition is to upload a shitload of copyrighted material and then sue you for each piece separately

It's easier to shutdown than to fight back

Article 13 is protecting you in the same way your parents protected you teaching you to look around before crossing the street

Proactive is always better than reactive.

Besides, if your problem is "too much content to be actively moderated", you already had more success than most.

Get there before complaining. It's not as easy as it looks.

I know many companies that are making hundreds of thousands of euros and they have just 2 or 3 people working on content moderation (because, as I've said before, you are already responsible for the content posted on your platform)

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by type0 »

rurban wrote: post #48

What Cory misses is that the proposed legislation is technically impossible to implement. Even giants like Facebook and Google cannot do content violation filtering on every media, like text submitted by text area boxes ("citations" over de copying the minimis limit), sound and video. Maintaining hashes of protected content is also technically impossible. Who's gone decide which data will get processed, and from wher…

> Since Article 13 is such a monumental fuckup people will either ignore it, leading to risk of becoming a random target

Not random target, it's by design, first make a law that almost all website owners break, then you are free to punish whoever you want.

The future looks bleak for Europe. If this continues, in a few years you woldn't be able to criticize politicians online or uncover corruption they're involved in.

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