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German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by Mirioron »

StavrosK wrote: post #6
adventured wrote: post #2

I'm waiting for the inevitable EU firewall that will ultimately be required to aggressively control all Internet usage for anyone in the EU. It can end no other way than that. Particularly as these draconian regulations continue to get worse. How else will they enforce these policies against foreign entities that can trivially ignore them while still serving EU users? They have to put a stop to that, as it's an easy…

Which draconian regulations continue to get worse? I'm only aware of article 13, which hasn't passed yet.

GDPR. It has some good parts, but a lot of bad in it as well.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by mcv »

Mirioron wrote: post #20
mcv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if we can get everybody to vote them out. We need more public attention for this. There are plenty of people who will be hurt by this who blindly vote for the parties that support this.

It's not going to happen. The number of voters in EP elections is low and the main parties at home will devote their resources on these elections.

If the number of voters is low, it's actually easier to mobilise voters to vote against the people who support Article 13.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by Mirioron »

L_226 wrote: post #10
adventured wrote: post #2

I'm waiting for the inevitable EU firewall that will ultimately be required to aggressively control all Internet usage for anyone in the EU. It can end no other way than that. Particularly as these draconian regulations continue to get worse. How else will they enforce these policies against foreign entities that can trivially ignore them while still serving EU users? They have to put a stop to that, as it's an easy…

To implement an internet 'firewall' in the EU first they will first have to come up with a less contentious term than firewall. Too many negative connotations re. China and authoritarianism. Even non-tech people in the EU would get riled up about any EU firewall.

EU politicians are experts at rebranding stuff like this. Just look at the article 13 discussion. They started out with upload filters, but when people criticized that they changed the wording so that it doesn't say upload filters, but it will still bring upload filters. Or look at Macron. He's railing against nationalism while instituting national service for 16 year olds "so they can learn to be more involved in society" and mandates French flags in classrooms.

EU politicians love rewording things and pretending that they're different.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by stavros »

Mirioron wrote: post #21
StavrosK wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which draconian regulations continue to get worse? I'm only aware of article 13, which hasn't passed yet.

GDPR. It has some good parts, but a lot of bad in it as well.

You're going to be searching for a long time to find a piece of legislation that only has good parts in it. The GDPR is overwhelmingly positive, and a massive step towards ensuring privacy online.

In my opinion, it has been pretty overwhelmingly a net positive, whereas article 13 is a clusterfuck that made me come up with a Cloudflare rule to block EU visitors from accessing sites (and yes, that includes myself):

https://twitter.com/Stavros/status/1100799044862033922

If anyone from Cloudflare is reading this, can we get a "redirect" firewall rule so I can point the visitors to something like "you can't access that site because the politicians you voted for are morons"?

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

mcv wrote: post #18
lstodd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, they do perfectly - their careers and their retirement plans.

Not if we can get everybody to vote them out. We need more public attention for this. There are plenty of people who will be hurt by this who blindly vote for the parties that support this.

here is a list by Julia Reda of MP's who voted for it

"These MEPs voted to restrict the internet in Europe today – but we’re not giving" up https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/

this is a global fight imo and people need to speak up. e.g. Australia is right now struggling with the damaging effects of the AAbill ... there was a similar list (iirc) Asher Wolf from the cryptoparty_AU shared the link but I can't find it any more.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

mcv wrote: post #22
Mirioron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not going to happen. The number of voters in EP elections is low and the main parties at home will devote their resources on these elections.

If the number of voters is low, it's actually easier to mobilise voters to vote against the people who support Article 13.

also the most effective way is to write a letter or call them in person (engaging them on facebook etc has little value in comparison)

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

nerdponx wrote: post #19
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #16

Why aren't American Internet giants react like it was done with SOPA?

Because they benefit.

How? E.g.: Google wouldn't be able to display website content descriptions for free anymore (OK, they are allowed to display a few words of the description).

I understand that content creators will benefit most (e.g. news sites).

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by nerdponx »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #27
nerdponx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they benefit.

How? E.g.: Google wouldn't be able to display website content descriptions for free anymore (OK, they are allowed to display a few words of the description). I understand that content creators will benefit most (e.g. news sites).

Regulation is good for the big guys. It hurts Google less than it hurts competition.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by expertentipp »

If advisory of German specialists from the either side will make the internet in the EU anything like the internet in Germany, in any regard, people will be really pissed. Kindly bugger off and let decide those from the places were the internet works.

Re: German Data Privacy Commissioner Says Article 13 Inevitably Leads to Filters

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Post by reubeniv »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #12

So we will have automated censoring. What a world we have to live in. Do the MEPs really do not understand what they are building?

I'm not sure this is MEPs doing, laws are made by the council I think, and then voted on by MEPs
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