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The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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I'm not sure this proves anything at all. To play devil's advocate: what if top CEO's (whether by school or by track record) look for harder challenges? Someone once said Dara Khosrowshahi took the CEO job of Uber not to make money, but because anyone willing to take that job is somehow who wants to play the CEO game on "hard mode". If everyone's taking a job where there's a 50% chance of failure for their personal s…

That does also suggest that rewarding with stock is not reasonable: if CEOs were actually motivated by money, they would go for easy mode instead.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What most long-term investors would prefer is a cult of a 'process', rather than a cult of 'personality'. A process' is a combination of know-how + culture + rules + compliance. Every business goes through cycles (eg startup, growth, pivot, then repeat) At every cycle, different personal qualities of a CEO would be more beneficial. However, a property of a company with a cult of 'process', is that the process will or…

Athletes and entertainers being paid insane amounts isn’t as new as you might think, although fashions do wax and wane. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Appuleius_Diocles Gaius Appuleius Diocles was born in approximately 104 A.D in Lamecum... Diocles is believed to have started racing at the age of 18 in Ilerda... Records show that he won 1,462 out of the 4,257 four-horse races he competed in and was placed in a…

Records show that he won 1,462 out of the 4,257 four-horse races he competed in and was placed in an additional 1,438 races (mostly finishing in second place).

>Many of his victories took the form of a ‘come from behind’ crossing of the finish line at the last possible moment. The crowds loved it.

What a wonderful story. The fact that he frequently finished in second place makes me think he was often trying to pull off a come from behind victory without quite managing it.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your examples show that CEOs "can" matter, but not that they "do" matter. I think anyone would agree that there are plenty of CEOs who happened to get their jobs just as pipelines come through, the economy rebalances in their favor, long-term HRD plans come to fruition etc. but they get all the credit anyway

The man in charge always gets the credit. I have some AMZN stock. I wouldn't trade Bezos for someone cheaper. Would you?

To my knowledge Bezos gets paid only 80 grand a year - so no.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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This is great work. It's a real job gathering and analysing all that CEO performance data. My guess is that most people were suspecting this anyway. The fact is the CEO is there for a few years making a few key decisions, a large company is like an oil tanker, and markets are quite hard to predict. Taleb has cooked a fair bit of soup on the fooled by randomness idea, but in this case his observations are correct. It…

"Why should there be a many-multiples reward for being slightly up the senior management ladder at each step?"

Really suggests some sort of a ponzi scheme...

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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post #52

I've done these same analyses before as well, and more. This is the correct analysis to do if you're looking to build an alpha-generative trading strategy. It is not necessarily the correct analysis to do if you want to measure actual CEO performance. If you want to measure CEO performance, you need to look at growth in fundamentals, not share price. The share price is going to reflect the market's beliefs about the…

> You want comp tied to growth in fundamentals. This has the same problem as tying it to the market. You don't know what the baseline is. Would a good CEO always grow the fundamentals? What if it's a declining industry? And vice versa.

It's not the same problem because expectations of CEO outperformance can be internalised into the price at time 0.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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I see a few critical problems with this research.

The first in the section "Do MBAs Make Better CEOs?". If the labour market is efficient we would NOT expect CEOs with MBAs to outperform CEOs without MBAs due to selection effects. We may expect them to outperform if we sample randomly from the general population that has MBAs versus that which does not, but this is not the sampling scheme in effect. If boards are able to accurately select non-MBA CEOs whose other characteristics compensate for the lack of an MBA, then we would expect a zero within-group correlation in the selected population. It is like if I was to hire a quantitative researcher for a machine learning research team. I could pick a PhD from a top school, or I could allow a non-PhD into my team as long as their other characteristics are sufficiently great (e.g. competition math in high school), but after appropriate selection effects there is no within-group correlation between holding a PhD and not holding one. If I looked at the average PhD versus the average non-PhD in the general population though, then an effect becomes apparent, but that's not the sampling scheme I've used.

The second problem is in the section "Is CEO Performance Persistent?". They used stock market returns which is flawed as expected CEO performance should be baked into the stock price from the beginning, meaning we expect zero excess return in the second sample even if the CEO was truly exceptional. This section would unlikely pass peer review into a top finance journal.

The only valid thing I can see is research about "Share Price Performance for CEOs Who Ran Multiple Companies", since nobody knows the second company ahead of time so the information shouldn't be baked into the price. But a lot of details are missing. Skewness and kurtosis of returns will impact the way they've quantized the data, among other things.

All in all, unpersuasive.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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I'm not sure this proves anything at all. To play devil's advocate: what if top CEO's (whether by school or by track record) look for harder challenges? Someone once said Dara Khosrowshahi took the CEO job of Uber not to make money, but because anyone willing to take that job is somehow who wants to play the CEO game on "hard mode". If everyone's taking a job where there's a 50% chance of failure for their personal s…

He took the job of Uber CEO because he'll make 100x more money than doing anything else.

Taking over Uber was not 'hard mode' it's 'easy mode'.

'Hard' is building a business that scales and that's making money. That's extremely hard.

Uber has utterly fantastic fundamentals - they are growing rapidly and have a very powerful brand (despite their CEO shenanigans, riders don't really care, they'll take Uber if it's convenient).

As the previous CEO self destructed with some bad bits of PR, the 'new CEO's job is to come in and be the new face of the company as he prepares for the IPO.

The new CEO can blame the old CEO for all of the cultural problems, which are frankly not that hard to fix - after all it's mostly cosmetic. Fire a few really bad apples or those who can't be tolerated, launch a new social program, make it public etc.. The vast majority of Uber staff are just regular people.

Some restructuring would be required, such as axing some of the more aggressive secondary plays, which allows the nice unit-fundamentals to shine through.

And then do one of the biggest IPO's in history.

Taking over for a CEO who mostly has a 'perception problem' of a company that's growing like gangbusters and about to go IPO is most CEO's dream come true.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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post #24

This is great work. It's a real job gathering and analysing all that CEO performance data. My guess is that most people were suspecting this anyway. The fact is the CEO is there for a few years making a few key decisions, a large company is like an oil tanker, and markets are quite hard to predict. Taleb has cooked a fair bit of soup on the fooled by randomness idea, but in this case his observations are correct. It…

We don't need Presidents and Popes either. The world is a much more complicated place today, than during the time of kings, and the accumulating data is going to keep revealing the complexity is too much for one man or woman to be responsible for it all. But when a Deepwater Horizon type event happens and the whole herd starts baying for blood, are we sophisticated enough to say hey look at the data whats the point o…

Neither the President nor the Pope have a considerable amount of power.

The office of the pres. was specifically designed to 'not be a king' and he's highly constrained by the other wings of government. The US was supposed to mostly about the states.

The Catholic Church generally gives a very wide berth as to the operational artifacts of Parishes. He's also to some extent a figurehead.

CEO means such different things at different scale, at different organizations, it's really hard to compare.

I suggest the issues may have a lot to do with short-term vs. long-term incentives.

Also - 'average' pay isn't so helpful when there are a few with massive, massive pay packages that skew all of the data.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

#139

This is great work. It's a real job gathering and analysing all that CEO performance data. My guess is that most people were suspecting this anyway. The fact is the CEO is there for a few years making a few key decisions, a large company is like an oil tanker, and markets are quite hard to predict. Taleb has cooked a fair bit of soup on the fooled by randomness idea, but in this case his observations are correct. It…

The CEO's decisions matter. For the most obvious example, see Apple. A series of CEOs drove Apple to near bankruptcy, then Jobs became CEO. With the same employees, plant, equipment, culture, etc., he turned it into the largest company in the world. He did something similar to Pixar. Microsoft is another example. Same company, same staff, same products, 3 CEOs, stark difference in results.

Apple was eaten from the inside by Next, it's definitely not Jobs alone, it's Next using Apple capital and brand.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, we've learned via a robust body of research over the last 5 decades that the market is largely efficient. Therefore, a change in share price over time (not measured in quarters, but over 3+ year periods...as was done in this study) is an excellent proxy for change in fundamentals.

> Except, we've learned via a robust body of research over the last 5 decades that the market is largely efficient. Oh? Care to cite some of that research? And let me preempt a few common citations which don't actually work: 1. Warren Buffett's hedge fund bet does not prove this. Among other reasons, he made a bet concerning the performance of a fund of funds, not any particular outlier. 2. Eugene Fama's research on…

As I stated, the market is largely efficient. I did not say it is completely efficient.

Also throwing out Rentech as an example just further proves my point.

The inefficiencies that Medallion fund is exploiting are extremely capital constrained (ie. They are very tiny). This is why they don’t accept outside investor money and even limit the amounts employees can have in the fund. The fund is limited to roughly $3 billion, because the inefficiency they are exploiting is that small.

An inefficiency of $3 billion in capital markets of roughly $100 trillion dollars is tiny.

All of Rentech’s larger funds for outside investors have not shown the same ability to beat the market.

Also, I’m amazed that you use Asness as a counterpoint, because if you’ve ever heard him speak, he would agree that the market is “largely efficient.” I’ve literally heard him say those words in person.

Asness’s entire hedge fund is based on Fama’s factor models. He literally makes his money by making the market even more efficient. He has admitted long-short factor funds like his have likely reduced (and will continue to reduce) factor alpha, hence why they need to apply leverage to make these returns significant.

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