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Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by Noumenon72 » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 1:58 AM UTC

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #7

> The Steppe migration resulted in a 90 percent replacement of the population. >While only 40 percent of the population about 6,000 years ago comes from the Steppes, 100 percent of the Y chromosomes do. From reading this article it seems another way that this could be phrased, is that we are all the descendants of perpetrators of genocide.

Don't forget the rape!

100% of your Ys coming from one place is the opposite of "mutt", too. But the only way you can get to do race science is by coming to the conclusion "There's no such thing as race" first, and making the details sound boring enough that nobody asks.

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by deogeo » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 1:59 AM UTC

> “No population is, or ever could be, pure,”

Why this obsession with 'purity'? Isn't it obvious that, despite none being pure, some populations are more closely related?

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by mjfl » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:04 AM UTC

ng12 wrote: post #6

I wonder how many of these genetic migrations were peaceful.

probably very few, if the old testament or the huge proportion of ancient skeletons that died violent deaths serve as any guide. which is why I think this story by Reich is very tone deaf. It's hard to see how a 90% population replacement promotes feelings of unity and hand-holding.

One imagines a superposition of a video feed of the invasion of the steppe-people on horseback, stampeding the native defenses, cutting the male children's throats and raping the women, with a video a David Reich being like "we're all a little mixed".

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by drilldrive » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:08 AM UTC

smrtinsert wrote: post #10

drilldrive wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. Perhaps there is no hard evidence because nobody…

Well, the problem is we probably can't find anyone to sponsor to study to determine if once and for all, whites are prone to psychosis and mass murder via guns.

Now that is quite the switch of topic. The only known research of race differences in psychopathy is of Richard Lynn's 2002 studies on the topic. In this, Lynn does point to whites being more prone to psychosis than on average. I do know of some controversy of Richard Lynn's work, and here is a response paper to such: https://web.archive.org/web/20130108233748/http://riskreduct...

Regarding school shootings in particular, my personal guess is that such sour actions on the average are merely a symptom of a hole in America's conscious, in that these semi-affluent white boys have lost meaning in life, and do not care if the actions they commit are grave. Of particular note is you do not see boys of abject poverty commit these actions, as they are more focused on not starving (and thus have something obviously meaningful to their life to prioritize).

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:09 AM UTC

deogeo wrote: post #12

> “No population is, or ever could be, pure,” Why this obsession with 'purity'? Isn't it obvious that, despite none being pure, some populations are more closely related?

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Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by mjfl » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:15 AM UTC

deogeo wrote: post #12

> “No population is, or ever could be, pure,” Why this obsession with 'purity'? Isn't it obvious that, despite none being pure, some populations are more closely related?

you get extra points if you can dress your scientific story as "speaking out against racism".

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by gigablorp » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

mjfl wrote: post #16

deogeo wrote: post #12

> “No population is, or ever could be, pure,” Why this obsession with 'purity'? Isn't it obvious that, despite none being pure, some populations are more closely related?

you get extra points if you can dress your scientific story as "speaking out against racism".

The dishonesty of virtue signaling is less about lying through one's teeth, and more about empathetic sensitivity being a social facade by default.

Empathy is almost universally a lie crafted to the comfort and benefit of a brittle externality.

If you find the concept tedious, encourage other people to be less sensitive.

When we tap dance on egg shells, to benefit a prude's ears, the whiniest assholes win.

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by mirimir » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:42 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #4

> A similar prehistory occurred in the Iberian Peninsula where a third population, also arrived from the Steppes, joined the hunter-gather and farmer groups. In this case, DNA research shows that the third population was exclusively male: While only 40 percent of the population about 6,000 years ago comes from the Steppes, 100 percent of the Y chromosomes do. This doesn't say what the author wants it to say. If 100%…

From what I've read, that's what the Mongols did. It's also what happened for many indigenous groups in eastern North America. Except that the males were escaped African-American slaves. I'm guessing that it was standard procedure for thousands of years.

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by hnuser123457 » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:43 AM UTC

smrtinsert wrote: post #10

drilldrive wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. Perhaps there is no hard evidence because nobody…

Well, the problem is we probably can't find anyone to sponsor to study to determine if once and for all, whites are prone to psychosis and mass murder via guns.

Tell me if whites are over or under represented on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

For the best three decades (at least), blacks have committed the majority of murders (~50-52%) most years in the United States despite never comprising more than 13% of the population. Are blacks over or under represented?

Re: DNA reveals we are all genetic mutts

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Post by mirimir » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 2:50 AM UTC

Noumenon72 wrote: post #11

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #7

> The Steppe migration resulted in a 90 percent replacement of the population. >While only 40 percent of the population about 6,000 years ago comes from the Steppes, 100 percent of the Y chromosomes do. From reading this article it seems another way that this could be phrased, is that we are all the descendants of perpetrators of genocide.

Don't forget the rape! 100% of your Ys coming from one place is the opposite of "mutt", too. But the only way you can get to do race science is by coming to the conclusion "There's no such thing as race" first, and making the details sound boring enough that nobody asks.

Yeah, the title ought to be something like "DNA reveals many of us are descendants of genocide and rape".

Edit: So I clearly have some Mongol heritage. And so does my wife, who's Ukrainian. One of her grandmothers could have easily passed as a native in Mongolia.