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Re: Gun laws where guns take the most lives

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Post by AngryData »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #49

I never understood how anyone can take another life. To take away the memories, the experiences, the future potential of another spirit - all for the sake of what? Hate? Money? Power? How can anything be worth more than the only thing that allows one to experience this world? Sad.

Starvation, poverty, vengeance. Would you willingly let yourself starve to death? Would you willingly watch your kids starve to death? Most crime is done out of desperation, and if you and enough other people around you are desperate enough it becomes normalized behavior in order to survive. You get robbed, so instead of dieing a hobo, you rob somebody else, the problem perpetuates itself because there are so few alternatives available.

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Post by hyperbovine »

flattone wrote: post #68
baroffoos wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns are like a megaphone for violence. Violent people will still exist but their reach is far less with a knife

lets have a serious discussion... knife is like number 5000 on a crazy persons shopping list. gun is probably 300 but also easier than 1-299

GP is making a serious point.

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Post by sonnyblarney »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #43
ouid wrote: post #2

> Small Arms Survey reported that in 2017, Mexico had 12.9 guns per 100 civilians, although of the 16,809,000 guns estimated in circulation in that year, only 3,118,592 were legally registered. >This high level of unregistered firearms has been attributed to Mexico’s proximity with the United States, as thousands of gun retailers sit just over the border. A report on gun trafficking between the US and Mexico revealed…

>> A report on gun trafficking between the US and Mexico revealed that almost 90% of the guns recovered and identified from Mexican crime scenes can be traced back to firearm dealers in the neighbouring country. Do you really think that cartels would be gunless if USA outlaws guns tomorrow? They need guns to win and protect their tens of billion dollar business. They can't sue in court if you don't pay for the 1450 k…

The cartels will easily get their guns from wherever they need, surely.

Highly organized, powerful crime outfits will always have access.

That said - with Supply and Demand - it may be that their front line guys are weakened.

Instead of the mock-AK or high powered rifle, they just have a pistol or a revolver. It makes a difference.

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Post by acdha »

testrun wrote: post #12
ouid wrote: post #2

> Small Arms Survey reported that in 2017, Mexico had 12.9 guns per 100 civilians, although of the 16,809,000 guns estimated in circulation in that year, only 3,118,592 were legally registered. >This high level of unregistered firearms has been attributed to Mexico’s proximity with the United States, as thousands of gun retailers sit just over the border. A report on gun trafficking between the US and Mexico revealed…

If that is true, then Canada should have exactly the same problem.

Canada has a much stronger, better funded government and, in particular, they don’t have the drug trade pushing amounts of money rivaling state budgets into crime syndicates.

Mexico has been destabilized by U.S. influences fore decades and the widespread corruption is in no small due to the number of areas where honest cops and prosecutors are dead – there’s even a phrase “plomo o plumo” (Silver or lead?) describing the decision so many have been told to make. That’s a huge inflection point which is hard for any country to recover from.

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Post by updateYourMind »

mk89 wrote: post #42
peterwwillis wrote: post #8

Nobody seems to point out the obvious fallacy of the "right to protect yourself". If having that right actually results in being more likely to be harmed, or harm someone else, having that right is an unacceptable public safety risk. A common argument against gun control ("should we ban hammers next?") is obviously fallacious when you compare it to an even more extreme comparison ("should we ban private ownership of…

I don't know why you got downvoted, because what you said makes sense. Unfortunately, it seems that when you touch people's belief, facts become fake news. No weapons mean no idiots able to kill dozens of people for no reason at all. It's insane to even have to explain that weapons just have the potential to kill and don't serve any other purpose.

Lots of people owning guns are downvoting anything that is not pro-gun.

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Post by Tyrannosaur »

updateYourMind wrote: post #67
whiddershins wrote: post #36

This article mixes and matches statistical types and conclusions in a confusing manner. For example, if most United States firearm deaths are suicides, it is misleading to then follow with a quote saying “where there are more guns there is more homicide.”

Yet the US has the highest numbers of mass shootings.

That's not an undisputed fact. https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-worl...

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Post by briffle »

mynegation wrote: post #21
crowdpleaser wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mexico has a firearm homicide rate of ~6.3 murders / 100k people / yr. The United States has a lower rate, 4.62 murders / 100k people /yr [0]. If American guns are the problem, why aren't the gun homicide rates higher in the United States than Mexico? But at the very least, it sounds like Mexico could benefit from stronger border security, too many guns are flowing across its porous border with the US. How many Mexic…

> If American guns are the problem, why aren't the gun homicide rates higher in the United States than Mexico? One of the answers is money. USA has more of it - for policing, for prisons, for making sure corruption and taking bribes from crime is less of an attractive choice. More poverty and profits of drug trafficking push the homicide numbers up in Mexico. Of course American guns are not the whole problem but they…

Where do the rest of the illegal guns in Canada come from?

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Post by zepto »

patmcc wrote: post #44
whiddershins wrote: post #36

This article mixes and matches statistical types and conclusions in a confusing manner. For example, if most United States firearm deaths are suicides, it is misleading to then follow with a quote saying “where there are more guns there is more homicide.”

Why? Both things can be true. Firearms could cause an increase in both homicides and suicides.

They could, but that isn’t a conclusion that the statistics show.

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Post by crooked-v »

jostmey wrote: post #55

The debate here has focused on guns as the problem. Guns are not the problem, they are an expression of the problem. To quote the article: "The Economist stated that rapid urbanisation and inequalities in wealth distribution were some of the largest factors in violent crime, and as one of the most unequal countries on the planet, Brazil backs up this claim." I think this statement applies to Mexico and other Latin Am…

That's true, but it's still a lot harder to reliably murder people with a knife.
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