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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by jszymborski »

sasasassy wrote: post #84

In these cases I'm always reminded of an Obama speech he made shortly after the beginning of the Edward Snowden disclosures, where he guaranteed in national television that the US did not spy on national citizens. Imagine that, not being a national citizen, but from an allied country, and being told point blank that you are a-okay for spying without any kind of shame. AFAIK China does not intercept all of my country'…

> AFAIK China does not intercept all of my country's communications, which the US has been doing for decades.

Well I think that's a brash assumption.

Without Snowden, we wouldn't have known about the extent of US surveillance.

A "Chinese Snowden" would not have their revelations accessible to China via their great-firewalled internet or state-run news, nor would the chilling effects of their Orwellian surveillance state likely produce such a person to begin with.

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Post by [deleted] »

crumbshot wrote: post #40
outlace wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can argue about which country has the worst spying record, but there's a fundamental difference between a country where you can be imprisoned for years for merely sharing a web post that is critical of the government and one where you can stand in front of the White House with signs calling the president an idiot racist and nothing bad happens. Genuine rule of law and a truly independent judiciary make all the dif…

The US routinely makes a mockery of the rule of law, just look at all the people denied legal process, abducted and taken to black sites for torture during the 'War on Terror'. The US is not some shining beacon of justice and fairness, it's just as corrupt and capricious as all the rest.

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Post by bassman9000 »

vectorrain wrote: post #68
bassman9000 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the Chinese is not a free market, at least far less, by huge margins, than the US or any other Western nation one. Huawei has been free to operate, and even bid in large contracts. Name one Western company allowed the same degree of freedom in China. If Huawei wants to get equal treatment, its CEO should ask the Chinese government to truly open their economy, and allow outside companies to truly compete.

But this time, it's US that impose restrictions on Huawei. That is your so called free market?

We all either play by the same rules, or none do. Though luck for Huawei. Check the WTO records on China.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

torgian wrote: post #12
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

The difference is that the NSA doesn't have far reaching powers to spy on US citizens (or foreign citizens in the US), while China has repeatedly hacked the US.

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Post by beams_of_light »

torgian wrote: post #12
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

No, it's not just about who's spying on you - it's about who will have the ability to take down your infrastructure when push comes to shove. Chinese technology in our critical infrastructure or defense systems is obvious attack surface.

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Post by djohnston »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #35

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei is the founder, and he was an IT engineer in the military, but i think during his generation it would be surprising to find somebody who didn't serve the state in some capacity. do you have any other sources?

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Post by subjoriented »

The fact of the matter is that the United States considers strong industries in strategic technology fields in adversary nations a national security threat. This is why NSA seeks to modify US standards for export across the world. It's why US lawmakers have worked with US telecommunication firms to gain access to international communications. It's why the US has gone after Kaspersky AntiVirus. It's why the US has gone after Huawei, and intelligence officials have supported debunked stories about (e.g. SuperMicro). It's why the Trump Administration has stripped the regulations on 5G development (to speed it up so that American companies and technology can dominate the standard).

This isn't a uniquely American thing. Russia and China are doing the same things (heard of the Great Firewall?)

Opening doors to journalists is a good and appropriate step. It won't fix the underlying issues, though, as they stem from National Security competition - not wrote press misunderstanding.

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Post by hnmonkey »

jake_the_third wrote: post #107
hnmonkey wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, people and organizations have come forward and said they have evidence. It's a simple google search away. You, similar to the OP, seem to be ignoring all of the many warnings from many organizations. If you think that intelligence agencies are going to show you, a random person, or the public the evidence directly I think you're not really aware of how they work. Why would they burn assets and methods to prove t…

Provide evidence that huawei is spying or keep your mouth shut. It's that simple.

Yep, I'll just grab that from the CIA, NSA, FBI, and Australian Intelligence services for you. Should I assume you want it by today?

This might be the most absurd and rude statement all in one that I've seen on HN before. You're surprisingly aggressive and defensive on behalf of a Chinese multinational in your comments and don't actually seem to be interested in hearing the truth. Interesting.

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Post by fspeech »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #35

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

Read "How Huawei tried to sell itself to Motorola for $7.5bn" which was published by FT four days ago. The deal was advised by JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley. It fell through at the final stage due to leadership change at Motorola. I don't see how your unsubstantiated statement could possibly be reconciled with FT reporting. You should retract your statement unless you have better evidence than FT.

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Post by seppin »

fspeech wrote: post #129
dreamcompiler wrote: post #35

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

Read "How Huawei tried to sell itself to Motorola for $7.5bn" which was published by FT four days ago. The deal was advised by JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley. It fell through at the final stage due to leadership change at Motorola. I don't see how your unsubstantiated statement could possibly be reconciled with FT reporting. You should retract your statement unless you have better evidence than FT.

Yeah and Google was almost sold for 1m to yahoo. No one knows what anything is worth or how much it will grow, no one.
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