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The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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I've done these same analyses before as well, and more. This is the correct analysis to do if you're looking to build an alpha-generative trading strategy. It is not necessarily the correct analysis to do if you want to measure actual CEO performance. If you want to measure CEO performance, you need to look at growth in fundamentals, not share price. The share price is going to reflect the market's beliefs about the…

That depends on how the effect is being measured - if the price growth is measured from the point where the CEO is appointed publicly - then you are right. But if they start from the moment before the announcement - then there would be no way to arbitrage the effect away. The interesting thing to do would be to measure the effect of the announcement itself.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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post #52

I've done these same analyses before as well, and more. This is the correct analysis to do if you're looking to build an alpha-generative trading strategy. It is not necessarily the correct analysis to do if you want to measure actual CEO performance. If you want to measure CEO performance, you need to look at growth in fundamentals, not share price. The share price is going to reflect the market's beliefs about the…

> You want comp tied to growth in fundamentals. This has the same problem as tying it to the market. You don't know what the baseline is. Would a good CEO always grow the fundamentals? What if it's a declining industry? And vice versa.

It is a problem, but it's not the same problem. You can try to address the issue of secular trends in the industry by looking at say, performance relative to industry peers. How you define industry peers of course is a bit tricky.

Another option is to look at share price returns from the day before the new CEO was announced. That would incorporate the market pricing in the new CEO. However, I don't think this analysis did that.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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post #61
post #52

I've done these same analyses before as well, and more. This is the correct analysis to do if you're looking to build an alpha-generative trading strategy. It is not necessarily the correct analysis to do if you want to measure actual CEO performance. If you want to measure CEO performance, you need to look at growth in fundamentals, not share price. The share price is going to reflect the market's beliefs about the…

That depends on how the effect is being measured - if the price growth is measured from the point where the CEO is appointed publicly - then you are right. But if they start from the moment before the announcement - then there would be no way to arbitrage the effect away. The interesting thing to do would be to measure the effect of the announcement itself.

Ya, I agree. However, i'm pretty sure they're doing it from the moment of appointment, not the moment of announcement. They don't call it out specifically in the article, but i'm familiar with the datasets they're using, and I don't believe announcement time is in there. Though it's certainly possible that they have data I haven't seen.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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I'm not sure this proves anything at all. To play devil's advocate: what if top CEO's (whether by school or by track record) look for harder challenges? Someone once said Dara Khosrowshahi took the CEO job of Uber not to make money, but because anyone willing to take that job is somehow who wants to play the CEO game on "hard mode". If everyone's taking a job where there's a 50% chance of failure for their personal s…

I have been proximal to the CEO search process at a few different large companies, and at a minimum have anecdotal insight into what drives selection.

CEOs are hired to fix perceived fundamental problems with the business, even at externally successful companies, and are evaluated for fit based on their history solving similar problems at other companies. Many times the business problem driving selection is invisible to casual observers, particularly those external to the company because it involves internal board/investor topics. The CEO's primary job when hired is fixing whatever it is the board deems it necessary to fix, not posting good numbers per se.

Fixing a company is exponentially more difficult the larger the company. The ability of most people to effectively reshape a company in some key way scales very poorly with company size. There is definitely a Peter Principle at work and most successful CEOs fail to be effective at some scale. To make matters worse, most boards have ambitions to grow the scale of the business, so they tend to want to hire CEOs with experience that exceeds the current scale of the business, which creates an intrinsic shortage of candidates with proven experience to reshape organizations at the desired scale. Supply and demand.

It is ironic that this site often has horror stories of working at startups -- tiny organizations -- with disastrous CEOs, but in the same breath people assert that anyone could be an effective CEO of a 10,000-person organization because the job entails no meaningful skill. Most people are demonstrably ineffective as CEOs in a 25-person organization, there is no reason to believe they would suddenly become effective if the organization was a hundred times as large.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Even if "firm performance is not predicted by the educational background of the CEOs", it does not follow that an MBA is worthless. To draw a parallel, I work with many software engineers both with and without CS degrees, and there seems to be no correlation (or even a slight negative correlation) between performance and those with a degree. That does not mean CS degrees are worthless! It means once you have already…

Bingo. If you look at successful people you’re probably going to find a pretty diverse set of backgrounds in addition to the developers with CS majors from top schools. But doesn’t mean that spending your 20s as a ski bum is actually a recommended path for most professional careers—even if it does make for a cool story if you get to the point people are writing magazine articles about you.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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This is great work. It's a real job gathering and analysing all that CEO performance data. My guess is that most people were suspecting this anyway. The fact is the CEO is there for a few years making a few key decisions, a large company is like an oil tanker, and markets are quite hard to predict. Taleb has cooked a fair bit of soup on the fooled by randomness idea, but in this case his observations are correct. It…

> I don't think anyone is surprised that it doesn't help at all.

I know you're purposely being sensationalist, but there is pretty incredible value in the networking by doing an MBA...which IMHO is actually what makes good CEOs - having strong networks of people around you.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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This is great work. It's a real job gathering and analysing all that CEO performance data. My guess is that most people were suspecting this anyway. The fact is the CEO is there for a few years making a few key decisions, a large company is like an oil tanker, and markets are quite hard to predict. Taleb has cooked a fair bit of soup on the fooled by randomness idea, but in this case his observations are correct. It…

> What it does seem to be is a kind of stamp of ambition. People who go to business schools are keen to work hard to reach the top of the business world. Same as most degree credentialism. People don't hire Harvard graduates because of all the valuable stuff they learned at Harvard, they hire them because they were smart and driven enough to get in to Harvard.

Or they hire them because they went to Harvard as well.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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One of the best things to come out of so-called “big data” is the slow destruction of the human ego. I read an interesting joke few months back (not sure where, might have been in Capital Minded), the gist of it was basically: If 99% of people who buy corporations for a living can't beat a monkey throwing darts over time...why do we believe people who run corporations for a living are any smarter? They're both lookin…

An important part of an executive’s job is hiring the right people to execute, which requires some level of skill or networking in my opinion, even if results aren’t always guaranteed.

But the data here says there is no statistically significant benefit to picking an “in-network” (ie. Former McKinsey, Goldman Sachs, Harvard, etc) executive. Which is the homogenous network that these people will continue to cultivate.

This data says the parochial boys club doesn’t deliver any difference from the average state-school “rose through the ranks” type of executive.

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Over the past year, we set out to answer these questions. We created a database of approximately 8,500 CEOs and their characteristics, each individually mapped to their respective companies for the duration of their tenure, and pulled company fundamentals from Compustat, stock returns from the University of Chicago's Center for Research in Security Prices (CRSP), CEO tenure and education from BoardEx, and long-form…

You’re absolutely correct, some of the time. On the other hand, at other times, academic researchers can conjure up an armada of buzz words and hot air balloons to support a position that even very limited real-world experience and common sense proves laughable misguided.

"common sense" and "real-world experience" are frequently euphemisms for "everyone knows that's how it works".

Re: The MBA Myth and the Cult of the CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devil's advocate: The primary function of a manager is to say "No". As one goes higher and higher up the hierarchy, one has to say "No" to pushier and pushier subordinates, and the cost of every misplaced "Yes" is higher and higher. While leaders just under the CEO may understand the firm situation just fine, they may also be unable to say "No" to enough bad ideas for a myriad reasons, including lack of polit…

Saying “no” is easy. But it’s hard to say “yes” if it involves some risk.

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