Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

Post by misterman0 » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:56 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #27

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Well, the single biggest threat to the US is if they can make better hardware cheaper than the American alternatives. But of the two things you list, it probably depends on whether it is wartime or peacetime. In peacetime, better to be spied on by foreign governments and in wartime better not to be.

Right now we have Australian born citizens who were kidnapped on entry to China and sent to re-education camps based off anti-China comments made online. And many similar examples exist: https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/detention-of-an-australian... Sorry but I will always prefer the US where at least there is a functioning judicial system.

Post by monksy » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:59 AM UTC

izacus wrote: post #59

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Does the US have: (a) Social credit system which centres around facial recognition of the entire population ? (b) Reeducation camps where tens of millions of Muslims, Uyghurs, dissidents, journalists etc are sent to based on surveillance of their online activity ? (c) Free reign to do whatever they want unfettered by any judicial or political oversight mechanisms ? (d) Companies and the government stealing intellectu…

Pretty much answer to all of this is yes - terrorist blacklists powered by cameras and surveillance in public, Guantanamo Bay with prisoners without due process and oversight, police killing black people without punishment and military industrial complex lobbying established government all exist. From the outside, USA with its more noticably overbearing propaganda or China with its disregard for US set morality don't…

Post by leereeves » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 10:06 AM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #72

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The US isn't perfect, but the events you're talking about are in no way comparable to imprisoning a million Uighurs in camps. Or executing Falun Gong practitioners and harvesting their organs. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45474279 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

As it stands right now I actually feel the US has a much stronger influence on Europe, which is what I'm concerned with. Not anything those two countries do at home. Considering how there's a backdoor revealed in Cisco products every other day I already know who I don't want to supply our 5G infrastructure.

Post by speedplane » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

llukas wrote: post #86

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You are either ignorant or disingenuous. 23m Chinese have been banned from buying plane or train tickets based on their social score. Show me anything in the US that is remotely equivalent. Show me a re-education camp in the US where tens of millions are being detained. Is Guantanomo Bay even remotely the same ?

> 23m Chinese have been banned from buying plane or train tickets based on their social score. Show me anything in the US that is remotely equivalent. Try to rent apartment without or with low credit score...

Post by __m » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

natch wrote: post #48

gonvaled wrote: post #33

Americans complaining about spying by other governments, even if true, would be the top of hypochresy. It is so blatantly clear that the motivations to fight Huawei are mainly because of losing the technology race, that it is not even funny. That the US pretends to dictate to free countries what they should buy or sanction (Iran) is not cool. That the US complains about state intervention when its whole technology le…

>You know what? Just let the world be. So don't comment then, if you want to let the world be. >because of losing the technology race It's not that US companies are "losing the technology race." If you read accounts from actual employees of partners, contractors, and others in the industry who work with Huawei, what you will read is that apparently Huawei has set up systems and incentives for copying and stealing tec…