Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by joaomacp » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 8:52 AM UTC

CathayRe wrote: post #49

threeseed wrote: post #27

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Right now we have Australian born citizens who were kidnapped on entry to China and sent to re-education camps based off anti-China comments made online. And many similar examples exist: https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/detention-of-an-australian... Sorry but I will always prefer the US where at least there is a functioning judicial system.

Which is one reason why few Chinese actually speak of anything negative on the topic. And sometimes it is hard to know if they have set up online discussion forum as honeypot. One reason why Tencent investment on Reddit became such as issue.

Another reason is they could make Reddit 'sink' comments criticizing the Chinese.

China is playing a really good geopolitical strategy game. If any other country was doing the same attrocities as them, they would be criticized and sanctioned. But China has gained enough power to stop that from happening.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by leereeves » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 8:52 AM UTC

izacus wrote: post #58

_iyig wrote: post #24

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If the NSA spies on your text messages as opposed to the CCP, you (and your family) are much less likely to be imprisoned, tortured, or killed on the basis of your religious or political beliefs.

Systemic harassment, no fly lists and personal surveillance of muslim people happening in USA makes your sentence a joke.

While those are wrong, they aren't:

> imprisoned, tortured, or killed on the basis of your religious or political beliefs

You've entirely failed to refute the parent comment.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by crumbshot » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 8:54 AM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #57

dangero wrote: post #46

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No it’s not just as corrupt as all the rest. I agree there is corruption, but to equate corruption in all countries is bogus. Nuance is important in this case.

To put some data to this discussion, in Transparency International’s 2018 rankings, the US comes in 22nd least corrupt, and China comes in at number 87: https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

Note however that this is a ranking of perceived corruption from a group of adjudicators, which isn't necessarily the same as actual corruption.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by robin_reala » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 8:59 AM UTC

crumbshot wrote: post #63

robin_reala wrote: post #57

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To put some data to this discussion, in Transparency International’s 2018 rankings, the US comes in 22nd least corrupt, and China comes in at number 87: https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

Note however that this is a ranking of perceived corruption from a group of adjudicators, which isn't necessarily the same as actual corruption.

True, but it’s better than two lay-people having an argument on a message board :)

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by powerapple » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:08 AM UTC

rqs wrote: post #18

> We build base stations in the harshest environments, like the Arctic Circle, the Sahara, rainforests in South America, and even on Mount Everest. In the wake of disasters like the tsunami in Indonesia, the nuclear disaster in Japan, and the massive earthquake in Chile, our employees were some of the first on the ground, working tirelessly to restore communications networks and support disaster relief. Then, after y…

huh? Huawei pays very well, and there is a reason it is paid very well. You don't get that kind of money for being a baby.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by ksec » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:25 AM UTC

ksec wrote: post #47

Aloha wrote: post #34

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What 5G technology does Huawei have, that we do not already have?

In terms of "technology", there are nothing, but Huawei do have the some of the best if not the 5G Base Station and 5G implementation. And they are actually cheaper. Lots of propaganda materials or internet trolls, or paid keyboard warrior tends to name Huawei being the No. 1 in 5G patents, (which is not true) bringing the most innovation and doing majority of the 5G standard works ( Which is again not true ). And th…

Not Sure why I am getting downvoted other than people hate Huawei and refuse to accept anything else.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by phishfi » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:29 AM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #56

phishfi wrote: post #2

I'm so torn with how to see Huawei. The dealings with Iran seem pretty cut and dry, and the laws in China are impossible for Huawei to ignore. On the other hand, their consumer products are very different from the commercial routing and telecommunication branches. Yet, the high level US government folks are being forced not to use the consumer products. Why aren't they being prohibited from using other Chinese consum…

There is a ban on Lenovo products. From 2013, regarding a ban imposed since approx 2005: "Chinese PC maker Lenovo has reportedly been banned from supplying equipment for the "secret" and “top secret” networks of many intelligence agencies, due to concerns its products are vulnerable to being hacked." ... "The ban is only thought to apply to the most highly restricted networks, and Lenovo remains a significant supplie…

I'm talking about the report from a few weeks ago banning top level government officials from using Huawei devices for personal use. At the time, they were considering banning them for all military members as well... But there was no mention of any other Chinese manufacturers. The only other one that's been in the news lately is ZTE.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by vectorrain » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:29 AM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #8

spamizbad wrote: post #5

I'm surprised how few free/open market advocates have come rushing to Huawei's defense. It seems everyone's caught the protectionism bug these days. Fact of the matter is they're being singled out not because of the their Iran dealings (Numerous US corporations have done this in the past and paid only modest fines), but at the behest of corporate lobbying efforts on the part of Huawei's competitors whose high margin…

Because the Chinese is not a free market, at least far less, by huge margins, than the US or any other Western nation one. Huawei has been free to operate, and even bid in large contracts. Name one Western company allowed the same degree of freedom in China. If Huawei wants to get equal treatment, its CEO should ask the Chinese government to truly open their economy, and allow outside companies to truly compete.

But this time, it's US that impose restrictions on Huawei. That is your so called free market?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by iforgotpassword » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:33 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #62

izacus wrote: post #58

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Systemic harassment, no fly lists and personal surveillance of muslim people happening in USA makes your sentence a joke.

While those are wrong, they aren't: > imprisoned, tortured, or killed on the basis of your religious or political beliefs You've entirely failed to refute the parent comment.

Uuh so China is doing drone bombings in the US then or how's that gonna work?

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Post by product50 » Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 9:36 AM UTC

crumbshot wrote: post #53

adventured wrote: post #45

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> just look at all the people denied legal process Relying on a few references - precisely because it's not common - in a country of 330 million, does not support your claim. The reason cases of denied legal process get so much attention in the US, is because they're rare. The reason a million detained Muslims in China isn't causing an uproar in the Muslim world, is because they know China has no protections for huma…

While rare in the number of people directly affected by the US abducting and torturing them, the fact that it was permitted and encouraged by the country's leadership says a lot about the attitude of the US to human rights and legal process. Anyway, the US has more systemic problems in how it affords legal process to the accused. The widespread racism that still permeates the country's institutions. The misuse of ple…

You are in extremely shaky grounds given you are comparing Chinese communist regime is US' in terms of human rights and legal processes. Who are you kidding here? You won't even know when people disappear in China and the legal process is there is completely driven by the govt vs. the country having an independent judiciary. Look at how Apple denied FBI to give it access to their device and took the case straight to SCOTUS. Are you really serious that such a thing can happen in China? And human rights - I feel the fact that I have to explain this tells me that I am talking to someone who is ignorant and will not agree to my point regardless of what I say.