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Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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I agree that Naltrexone can help curb alcohol use in the case of heavy/problem drinkers, but alcoholism/addiction is entirely different than "developing a taste". For anyone who is struggling with addiction, or thinks they may have a problem - please treat this like any other disease and consult a medical professional. I'd also suggest, if possible, speaking with another addict in recovery to learn about what they ha…

Absolutely appalling to see this comment being downvoted. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

> appalling to see this comment being downvoted

I didn’t downvote. But AA has a mixed track record with respect to effectiveness [1]. It’s also been likened to a cult [2]. This might explain some downvoted.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746426/

[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irr...

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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> Maybe those physicians, who are licensed to practice medicine in the United States, know better than you do. There is nowhere near a consensus among professional physicians that this drug is as good as you claim it to be. Meanwhile I can find plenty of physicians like Dr. Oz who are snake oil salesmen, so I reject your fallacious appeal to authority. EDIT: I see that you have now edited your comment to say "(An app…

Yes there are many unethical physicians, but majority of physicians still are hard-workers and know way better than you.

> Yes there are many unethical physicians, but majority of physicians still are hard-workers and know way better than you.

The majority of physicians do not prescribe this drug, and even the ones who do prescribe it do not recommend that patients try to obtain it online and self-medicate.

You twisted my meaning into an attack on physicians, which it certainly was not. It was a rejection of a fallacious appeal to authority.

The fact that some physicians recommend something is simply not convincing. It's not hard to find a small number of physicians who would recommend homeopathy either, nor is it hard to find a small number of scientists who reject climate science. A consensus among physicians (or scientists) is what makes an appeal to authority reasonable.

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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Part of what drove me to leave the SF tech industry was the normalized daily alcohol consumption. At one startup in SOMA, on my first day the CEO introduced me to the team and pressured me to drink a shot of booze as was the company's tradition. My first group interaction with the entire company (~30 heads) was responding "water" to the CEO's question "so what's you're drink?" asked while standing next to a bar on wh…

I left one software company, in part because they developed apps for pubs and restaurants, and most of the other employees came from a hospitality background and wanted to get wasted each Friday night. That I wanted to a) spend time with my daughter (on alternating weeks) or b) just go home and chill out alone was not acceptable, and my disinterest in the partying culture lead to many cold shoulders at work also. Much younger me had not even considered asking about the 'after-work' culture when interviewing; lesson learned!

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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I’ve never been a heavy drinker, but at one point 2 years ago I handled a project by myself to move 6 million dollars a month in charity transactions from one uncooperative payment processor to another. I normally handled stress well, but this was a different level and it was physically taxing on me. I had a glass of wine one night about 3 weeks into this and immediately felt so much better that I ended up having 3-4…

Alcohol should never be used for stress, only for social lubrication. There's better ways to deal with stress. Pump iron, or go for a run. 30-60 minutes of running should give you a reset.

I’m not proud of it. I was as shocked by the effect at that time.

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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Last year, at age 35, I started drinking heavily. I would buy a bottle of Absolute and would not stop till I see the bottom of it. 2 bottles a week at min. About 5-6 months, I've stopped drinking without anyone's help. Yesterday and today, I'm having a strong urge to get completely wasted. Just go to the store around the block, buy bottle of Absolute. Yesterday, while driving on I-695, I saw a guy with a child seat o…

I actually have found small doses of LSD have helped me lose the desire to drink. There is legitimate research happening that shows this is a real phenomenon...unsure about the science but for me it’s a cleaner better “high” with no hangover effect and not nearly as toxic (if at all)

In case it needs to be stated - please don't take illicit substances because a random poster on an internet forum tells you it's helped in x or y ways.

(For the record, I do believe this class of substances can help a lot of people. Do your own research, know your own body, and think for yourself before making a decision that can have possible adverse effects)

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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It was alcohol addiction.

If you know Tristan, then you should show respect. If you don’t, then you shouldn’t assume to know. Speaking as someone who knew him very well (he and I considered each other brothers), his struggles with addiction were his own and not something that should be stated by others imho.

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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Anyone know what the addiction was? given kidney involvement i'm leaning towards alcohol, but don't want to assume. I know it's cliche to say, but asking for a friend. A loss for a lot of people, especially his young family.

I’m not sure why it matters, but it wasn’t just one thing he struggled with. Out of respect for him, I’m not going to say more than that.

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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I actually have found small doses of LSD have helped me lose the desire to drink. There is legitimate research happening that shows this is a real phenomenon...unsure about the science but for me it’s a cleaner better “high” with no hangover effect and not nearly as toxic (if at all)

So you're replacing one substance with another? How is that better?

Let me give you an example.

A relative of mine is a drug addict. It started with light pill abuse in his late teen years. Then turned into a serious opioid addiction a few years later. There is wide debate on susceptibility to addiction in terms of things like personality or genetics and so on. Whatever the case his personality certainly seems aggressively directed at being easily prone to substance/drug abuse and to seeking it out. Once he became a full-blown opioid addict, the ability to control his general problem with addiction of course went out the window, it pretty well destroyed his life.

His mother refuses to help him get treatment via for example Suboxone, because she says that's just a crutch that keeps you addicted (equivalent to your reference of replacing one substance with another). Meanwhile, instead, the out of control opioid addiction continues threatening his life. The core of this issue is that not all substances are created equal in their consequences. Suboxone may be a form of crutch, and crutches are often very useful when you have a broken leg.

I've known a few people with opioid addictions, the only ones I've ever seen able to control it had to use treatments like Suboxone. In that case, replacing one substance with another, means regaining control over your life (while you hopefully pursue long-term therapy to permanently kick the addiction) and being able to live mostly normally.

One of those people was a fairly close friend. She had a problem with addictions over many years. Alcohol, cocaine, lighter pain killers, and so on. She was always able to walk back the addictions, until opioids. Once she became an opioid addict, there was no walking that back, it took over every aspect of her life. All of her thinking shifted to short-term obsession to fill the craving. Her entire life became a fireball of destruction: thieving, lying, anything necessary to get the next fix. When you're consumed by that addiction, there is no long-term thinking, there's no next month or next year, there's only sating the drug addiction. When the doctors began cutting off her drug access one after another, she eventually even turned to getting various prescriptions for her dogs. Then buying opioids illegally on the black market. The person you used to know, no longer exists while this is going on, they're an addiction zombie that can hardly be reasoned with (they'll say anything at any time to avoid a discussion or intervention). That whirlwind went on for a year plus, until one day she took Suboxone. I'm sure it's not for everyone, I'm sure it doesn't work for everyone; in this case, it was like a miracle. One day she was an out of control drug addict, a week or two later she was back, normal, able to think long-term again, able to hold a job and reason normally. It was almost as though the prior year had never happened. It's wild to witness that transformation occur in such a short amount of time. So long as she took Suboxone on schedule, she was no longer an out of control opioid addict. She could then pursue a long-term strategy of opioid addiction therapy. Sometimes substituting one substance for another, is about managing addiction in the relative short-term through a better process, so you can work toward the long-term goal of ending the addiction.

Re: Square Inc. Co-Founder Tristan O’Tierney Dies at 35

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What an incredibly dangerous suggestion that people seek out a prescription for this kind of drug online at mdproactive or anywhere else. You also did not mention that a number of studies have shown this drug to be only modestly effective at treating alcohol abuse, and that there are better treatments. It can also cause liver damage. It's not a magic pill.

Show your sources. The studies that indicate it’s not effective are in comparison to a placebo when alcohol is NOT consumed with the drug. The Sinclair method is very specific about taking the drug with alcohol (and measuring its reduced usage over time). To my knowledge liver damage has only been documented at doses far beyond what the Sinclair method directs. Edit: source as requested below: https://academic.oup.co…

Show your sources too, please
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