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Amazon Removed Anti-Vax Documentaries from Prime Video
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Re: Amazon Removed Anti-Vax Documentaries from Prime Video
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But is that true? Did they remove all videos based on false premises? And how did they decide the premise was false?
They need not decide the premise is false; they can rely on scientific consensus. It's not a perfect heuristic but it's the most useful one we have. If they're transparent about the sources they use and they're impartial and consistent in their application (read: no videos given special treatment), they're not arbitrating. They're (actively) reporting.
Arguable that sugar is more harmful than a video.
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To me, this action says "We have chosen not to publish material, that is based on indisputably false premises, that may harm viewers and the public at large." That sounds like an acceptable line to me.
While I believe anti vaxxers are wrong, there are very few things in the medical field that are "indesputible". Plus, this isn't just a black and white issue. What if a specific vaccine is released some day that turns out to be harmful? Harmful drugs frequently make it passed FDA approval only to be recalled later. If one of them happens to be a specific vaccine, are we going to be censoring any and all media that tr…
"Occasionally vaccine manufacturers screw up and a drug is recalled" is pretty far from the Anti-Vaxx line.
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It's a bit of a public health nuisance when kids start dying because other people don't want their kids to get a measles shot It's hard to believe that tens of thousands of kids still die from the measles every year.
The same argument could be said that kids born to unwilling mothers leads to social and moral decay. If you are pro abortion/ pro choice you must be pro choice for anti vaxx.
No it can't because there is no direct, empirical relationship between children born in neglectful or under-resourced households and medical illness in other children. You can mount an abstract argument that there are secondary or tertiary effects that increase e.g. crime, violence or what have you. But that kind of relationship is not nearly as tight nor as evident as the reduction in herd immunity effected by fewer children receiving vaccinations.
It's a difference of category, not degree.
Re: Amazon Removed Anti-Vax Documentaries from Prime Video
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
They need not decide the premise is false; they can rely on scientific consensus. It's not a perfect heuristic but it's the most useful one we have. If they're transparent about the sources they use and they're impartial and consistent in their application (read: no videos given special treatment), they're not arbitrating. They're (actively) reporting.
Arguable that sugar is more harmful than a video.
It sure is! Tell you what, I'm all on board for a massive awareness campaign by Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Netflix on the dangers of sugar intake as well.
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I mean, if you made a documentary about it being physically impossible to incinerate 6M humans in the span of time the nazi's had to do it in the ovens that they had to do it in, you'd get banned from Amazon before you could so much as publish your video. But you believing such a fringe nazi conspiracy theory couldn't kill me or my neighbour. My children wouldn't be at a real risk of dying from spending time with you…
Holocaust denial isn't victimless. In fact, I would argue it's far more dangerous than these vaccine hoaxes. "It happened, and therefore it can happen again" is the motto here. It is the singularity of barbarism that has defined politics in Europe and the US ever since; the crown witness against militarism, nationalism, and populism.
> Holocaust denial isn't victimless.
I never mentioned holocaust denial... but let's go with that. So long as it never happens again, it's victimless. And because it's not going to happen again (nobody of consequence in any position of authority over govt, the media, or academia is a holocaust denier). Antisemitism certainly has victims, but in any case that's not the same thing as holocaust denialism.
> In fact, I would argue it's far more dangerous than these vaccine hoaxes.
Are you unaware that children have been dying of measles in ever greater numbers in the developed world due to the anti-vaccine movement? You certainly must be because some hypothetical danger that might occur in the future can't compare to children dying today.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/21/measles-cases-...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/national-today-newslette...
https://www.livescience.com/64523-anti-vaccine-movement-top-...
Re: Amazon Removed Anti-Vax Documentaries from Prime Video
#97Unpopular opinion: I don’t like this. Would much prefer that ideas compete. Id sort of give Amazon a pass since, unlike twitter, Reddit, Facebook & YouTube, it doesn’t make many promises regarding the free exchange of ideas. But still.
To me, this action says "We have chosen not to publish material, that is based on indisputably false premises, that may harm viewers and the public at large." That sounds like an acceptable line to me.
The material itself obviously can’t hurt anyone.
I think it went more like this: “We received a request from a US congressman this morning and followed it.”
Even worse than I imagined.
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> as if random Feds are strapping babies down against their will and pumping random fluids into them against their will. That's not completely wrong. The kids in my mother's generation for example were force-vaccinated in school and a lot of them suffered through life-threatening kidney issues caused by said vaccine. This is certainly not the case right now, but I have heard of people advocating for mandatory vaccina…
Can you be more specific? Which vaccines caused the problem, for example? What years? I got my shots in the early 1970's and I don't remember there being any problems, fears, etc. As far as I can tell, this all started about 10-15 years ago when the general public started jumping on the Internet in large numbers.
It happened around 1962-1964. It was a smallpox vaccine. My mother ended up with Nephritis and had to battle it for years while my uncle ended up with his hands and legs being paralyzed and had to get a surgery.
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I'm flagging this for spreading misinformation. WHO: "[..] measles, which we know to be about 98% effective" "Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients" https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immu...
You seem to think that the efficacy post-inoculation remains static throughout a persons 80 year lifespan.
That's a very unscientific assumption. Vaccines regularly lose efficacy, which is why 85% for the 'best' is reasonable.