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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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You can if your friend has one they will let you drive.

Love comments like this. Everyone has a friend with a Tesla. You can also steal one and drive it around for a bit if you don't mind.

This kind of comment isn't helping. There is also Turo, a service where you can rent various cars including different Teslas. Pricier than normal rentals but not a bad investment if it helps someone make the right choice for them.

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What battery overheating indicator? The power meter, which is with the speedometer, has an indication if battery output is throttled. You can also feel it in the accelerator, no need to look.

Wait, the car doesn't tell you if the battery is overheating? That doesn't happen with Li-ion batteries? I heard it does in cars and airplanes and laptops... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner_battery_... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/overheating.109238/

If the battery is physically damaged causing a runaway, the car flashes a huge warning and beeps. But that isn’t caused by ordinary events like driving up a steep hill when it’s hot out. It’s caused by accidents that significantly damage the car.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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The US is the only country that follows this scheme, and it's only certain manufacturers that let their franchises get away with that. Next time try buying a Honda or a Subaru. There's almost no wiggle-room in price.

Sorry, that's not true at all. There's often A LOT of wiggle room. Insider Tip: The internet desk is usually separate from the floor desk at your average dealership. When you know exactly which car you want to buy, negotiate through the internet desk only at several dealerships. But be prepared to walk if they try to pull a bait & switch when you show up to purchase.

The problem with your insider tip is that everyone, dealer included knows about it. I hate when people say be prepared to walk when most of us don’t have a million dealerships to visit. Sure if you’re in Southern California you can visit 6 Honda dealers and waste 1-2 days. You’ll get the quoted price and then they’ll try to stick you the next time you come in. Consumer is at a huge disadvantage here because dealers know they have limited time. It’s no secret dealers make you wait forever so you grow impatient and agree to their bullshit. Some of us don’t want to deal with that kind of crap.

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There are a lot of haters and short sellers out there and they can be especially vocal, so I’d just say take what you’ve seen online with a grain of salt.

Exhibit A: Notorious Tesla hater and shortseller[0]; deceiving us all with his pesky rulers and loupes. Sarcasm aside, I'm inclined to be charitable to Tesla, but quality issues abound with every generation of Tesla products; and while things have improved, they are behind the industry in many areas. [0]: https://youtu.be/FSLTNjGI8hw

Yeah they are behind in some areas, and WAY ahead in others. If people go in with their eyes open, and their priorities straight, they'll be fine. But one point that seems to get lost is that the reported quality issues have gotten way better.

That car in the video is I'll admit quite ridiculous -- I'm guessing it is an anomaly though. My car had nothing like that and I did inspect it carefully on delivery (I guess this guy did not). I don't think anyone is forcing you to take delivery if you get an insanely scratched car like that, but certainly it's fair to expect that a car company would not try to deliver such a scratched car in the first place. I just don't think it represents the normal experience these days.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Wait, the car doesn't tell you if the battery is overheating? That doesn't happen with Li-ion batteries? I heard it does in cars and airplanes and laptops... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner_battery_... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/overheating.109238/

If the battery is physically damaged causing a runaway, the car flashes a huge warning and beeps. But that isn’t caused by ordinary events like driving up a steep hill when it’s hot out. It’s caused by accidents that significantly damage the car.

Battery failures can also be caused by manufacturing/design defects in the cells (as in the Boeing batteries) or malfunctioning components of the active cooling system in the Model 3 like fans/pumps/coolant (like the Tesla club owner).

Having a coolant temperature gauge in front of you could show you a trending problem, before the car announces to you that it is shutting down as you attempt to merge into 75 MPH traffic.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#716
Yes, Tesla got to the $35000 price but it's a car no one wants at the base price and you can't even test drive it.

The battery cost is the problem. I suspect that it's only a matter of time before a Tesla with all the amenities can be had for $35000. Good for them...

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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It's cheap in NorCal - my friend had a Model 3 delivered by a dude. Literally. A dude drove his car to his house and then called Uber. P.S. by "dude" I meant that the man just drove the car to the owner's place from their Fremont factory (30 min).

What would it have been if not a dude?

Dude implies something about how he was dressed and acted. If someone in a 3 piece suit delivers your car, that's less insulting.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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If the battery is physically damaged causing a runaway, the car flashes a huge warning and beeps. But that isn’t caused by ordinary events like driving up a steep hill when it’s hot out. It’s caused by accidents that significantly damage the car.

Battery failures can also be caused by manufacturing/design defects in the cells (as in the Boeing batteries) or malfunctioning components of the active cooling system in the Model 3 like fans/pumps/coolant (like the Tesla club owner). Having a coolant temperature gauge in front of you could show you a trending problem, before the car announces to you that it is shutting down as you attempt to merge into 75 MPH traff…

I don't think the Boeing failure would cause a runaway in a Tesla battery, nor any other electric car allowed on the road, nor in the redesigned Boeing 787 battery pack.

The Tesla club comment at the top of your link is about a Roadster, not a Model 3.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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What year of Model S did you test drive?

This is a couple of years back so I don’t recall anymore but... What do you mean year, Teslas don’t have model years because you’re always getting the most improved car -Tesla “salesperson”

Yeah they don't have years because they update them all the time, incrementally. They still are each made in a certain year. If you drove it a couple years back, things have moved forward since your conclusions were locked in your mind.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#720
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How do you figure? I've been financing a car at ~3% interest for the past 4 years. My investments have returned triple that over the same period.

> How do you figure? I've been financing a car at ~3% interest for the past 4 years. My investments have returned triple that over the same period Would you be willing to disclose in general terms what you have in your portfolio of investments. Keen to learn.

Vanguard ETFs are my jam: VOO, VXF, VGT, VTI, etc.
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