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The New ‘Dream Home’ Should Be a Condo

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Re: The New ‘Dream Home’ Should Be a Condo

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Not only that, but the construction costs are cheaper per square foot for larger houses. Much of the cost of a house is in the kitchen and bathrooms. But bigger houses almost always still only have one kitchen, even if it is a lot fancier, and the number of bathrooms doesn't go up linearly. Bigger houses just have bigger rooms mainly, and also extra rooms that are empty and don't cost much to build ("bonus rooms", de…

However, the operational (heating, AC) and maintenance costs of a large house do scale more directly with it's size, especially for jobs that involve the whole structure, like re-roofing, re-siding, etc. So in the end they end up being far more expensive to live in.

Siding costs do not go up linearly with interior volume. This is basic geometry which I shouldn't have to explain on this forum.

Operational and maintenance costs are a different factor; we were talking about house price, and I went into construction cost. Operations costs are different, and consumers are pretty infamous for only looking at initial costs and not thinking about operational/maintenance costs. This is especially true with cars: people look only at the purchase price and don't think about how much gas costs, so they buy a giant SUV even though it gets 50% worse fuel economy, and then they complain about how much it costs to refuel.

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I'm not really sure it's a criticism, more just an minor splash of inchoate rage, and we're supposed to sort of figure out the implied criticism. Which is, I assume, that perhaps more people want a massive house in the middle of nowhere than don't, and that most people don't actually want to live in a city, but put up with it for one reason for another. And then perhaps this massive house should be the ideal home, be…

Okay, I'll spell it out for you. I understand that most people in the world and the USA are packed in to high density cities on the coast. But your numerical superiority does not mean that your ideals define what is or what should be. Nor does commenting on alternative views of what is good mean we are full of 'rage' despite what your stereotypes may suggest. Living in high density areas is a trade of individual righ…

I agree with most of your post, choosing to live in low density if you prefer should be considered wholly valid. However...

> This diminishment of the individual is bad for US society as it has existed for most of the past.

This statement is vague, presumptive, and poorly justified. For those who prefer to live in the cities can you justify there is a diminishment of the individual? In what ways is it "bad for US society"? And finally, I'm not even convinced on "has existed for most of the past"

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The article was focusing on the environmental impact of different living situations, and rural living is horrifically environmentally unfriendly. It would also be financially untenable if rural areas weren’t massively subsidized by urban economic centers. If you had to pay for the true cost of building and maintaining the infrastructure you use (which would be amortized over very few people due to the low population…

Don't forget, that rural infrastructure that is being 'subsidized' by urban centers serves a pretty important role in, you know, growing and delivering food consumed by those urban dwellers. Also: electricity production, natural gas extraction, and landfills. All that also requires local workers. How much more do you think the urban populations would be paying for these essential products and services if you wanted t…

Kinda depends on definitions of rural, but I'd guess the vast majority of people living in rural areas (having grown up in one) are not involved in any kind of food or energy production. Most of them are doing hour-long commutes by car into the city for work.

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As long as the new dream home has thick walls and soundproof ceilings... But I'm not gonna bet too heavily on builders caring about those features.

A friend of ours has a condo that was built in the 60s, and there’s a foot of concrete between every floor and unit. I envy that.

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NO. Condos are actually really crappy places to live, like being in an apartment complex but you have to pay a (generally) overly burdensome HOA, deal with politics and power play issues, not to mention the noise and nuisance of being in an apartment. Townhomes are better, but truly the "dream home" is still your own house, no HOA, with space between you and your neighbors, a dedicated place to park your car, and the…

Lawns are ridiculous wastes of water.

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Don't forget, that rural infrastructure that is being 'subsidized' by urban centers serves a pretty important role in, you know, growing and delivering food consumed by those urban dwellers. Also: electricity production, natural gas extraction, and landfills. All that also requires local workers. How much more do you think the urban populations would be paying for these essential products and services if you wanted t…

Kinda depends on definitions of rural, but I'd guess the vast majority of people living in rural areas (having grown up in one) are not involved in any kind of food or energy production. Most of them are doing hour-long commutes by car into the city for work.

In those cases, it probably mostly washes out. The commuters are paying taxes for the road use (gasoline taxes) and are also contributing to the tax base of the 'subsidizing' urban areas with local/city taxes on their income earned in the city.

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>This is the New American Home for 2018. It’s a sprawling monstrosity of more than 10,690 feet (the lot encompasses 65,340 square feet). No, this is an exaggeration for the sake of a highly slanted opinion piece. The average size of a new house in the US is about 2500 sq ft if I remember correctly. >Does anyone need 10,000 square feet to live in? Does anyone want to put up with petulant condo associations/HOA squabbl…

> oh so this is just a thinly disguised anti-rich opinion piece

are you rich?

I'm very anti-rich.

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Granted I only skimmed the article, but it seemed rather myopic to me. Why is the "dream home" assumed to be in an urban/suburban area? Why not in a small town or rural area? In January 2018, we moved back from Charlottesville, VA (which itself isn't even "urban") to Harrison, AR. I was able to buy a five bedroom, two bath home on a half acre in a quiet neighborhood for under $125k. My wife and I are beginning to put…

I'm with ya on preferring rural living, but I much prefer that everyone else's "dream home" be in the city. Now if we could only get a better political separation between urban and rural; right now, since the urban areas have higher population density, they effectively set the policy for those in rural areas, generally without caring much about the fallout.

Rural areas are already massively over-represented in the senate because rural states tend to be far less populous than urban states and slightly over-represented in congress because rural districts tend to be smaller than urban ones.

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Reading the article and these comments is somewhat entertaining. 1. The size of the show home is dictated in part by the desire of the associations to incorporate and show off the different products of the sponsors. More sponsors means more revenue for the show.

2. Roads are needed to transport goods from urban center to urban center in addition for rural to urban. Years ago the livestock industry changed their slaughtering and processing from urban center to rural (or small town).

3. This author is based in San Francisco. By the standards of my part of the world, SF is now a third world country, people shooting up in the street, taking a dp where hey like (in the road, etc. If she can't fix where she lives what right does she have telling me how to live?

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I've lived in HOA neighborhoods before; the power any individual resident has over the HOA is nearly nil. You'd basically have to run around to all the neighbors and convince them to vote for someone else at the next board election; it's just like regular government politics that way.

Yes, that's a pretty bare modicum of effort.

Convincing your neighbors to vote a certain way is "a pretty bare modicum of effort"? If that were true, we wouldn't have our current democracy in such a terrible state. Billions of dollars are spent on every election to try to convince voters of how to vote, and look where it gets us. How do you think one person running around to his neighbors is going to convince them to vote for genuinely good HOA board members? Remember that the bad members are also going to be running around trying to get votes.

And who would you have them vote for anyway? Yourself? I don't know about you, but I have no time or inclination for such a job. Frequently, HOAs turn out this way because the people who do have time for that crap are the people who really are a problem. This is a strong argument in favor of professional property management in fact (which is what my condo has, and doesn't seem to have any of these problems).

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