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>If you install a library, there is no split between library and header files. There is no zlib-dev package as an addition to zlib. You get everything at once. And that's good?
I don't know about good or bad, but for people like me, it's certainly convenient.
Since SystemD has become so prevalent in Linux, I've been looking longingly at BSD. The only problem is that I have a large number of machines that I'd need to move over, and it's a pretty intimidating amount of work. But I'm planning on beginning the move, one system at a time...
Since SystemD has become so prevalent in Linux, I've been looking longingly at BSD. The only problem is that I have a large number of machines that I'd need to move over, and it's a pretty intimidating amount of work. But I'm planning on beginning the move, one system at a time...
Since SystemD has become so prevalent in Linux, I've been looking longingly at BSD. The only problem is that I have a large number of machines that I'd need to move over, and it's a pretty intimidating amount of work. But I'm planning on beginning the move, one system at a time...
On the off-chance you're somehow unaware and are running Debian: with Devuan it's almost just a repository change and an "apt-get dist-upgrade" away (depending on which release you are upgrading from a few manual actions, which are documented, might be required).
However, I have doubts about Devuan as a long-term solution, and it's a long-term solution that I'm seeking.
Since SystemD has become so prevalent in Linux, I've been looking longingly at BSD. The only problem is that I have a large number of machines that I'd need to move over, and it's a pretty intimidating amount of work. But I'm planning on beginning the move, one system at a time...
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>What are the desktop GUI environments or window managers available on OpenBSD that are comparable to those on Linux? I'll answer this honestly; All of the X11 based ones until SystemD and wayland came about are essentially supported or working. Gnome created a hard dependency on systemd and thus can't be used any longer on openbsd. Wayland (and thus; Sway) is not supported by OpenBSD. But i3, xmonad, KDE4, XFCE4 and…
> Wayland (and thus; Sway) is not supported by OpenBSD. Is this lack of support philosophical or due to prioritization?
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Slightly slower? Mechanical hard drive boot times aren’t the best, but they’re quite acceptable with an SSD. For my desktop use, OpenBSD seems plenty fast.
I think you're confusing topics, randomized address space != random disk reads. Edit: To answer GP's question, you're probably already incurring a cache miss if you're pointer chasing so in most cases there should be no effect on performance.
From https://www.openbsd.org/innovations.html:
> Library order randomization: In rc(8), re-link libc.so, libcrypto, and ld.so on startup, placing the objects in a random order. Theo de Raadt and Robert Peichaer, May 2016, enabled by default since OpenBSD 6.0 and 6.2.
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> Kernel relinking at boot: the .o files of the kernel are relinked in random order from a link-kit, before every reboot. This provides substantial interior randomization in the kernel's text and data segments for layout and relative branches/calls. Basically a unique address space for each kernel boot, similar to the userland fork+exec model described above but for the kernel. Theo de Raadt, June 2017.
A more comprehensive list https://www.openbsd.org/innovations.html
I like how they list W^X as an innovation. 1) It's not W^X. W^X implies read-only pages are not possible, and they are. 2) They "invented" that, what 5-10 years after Linux?
When OpenBSD was preaching about W^X and things like -fstack-protector, they really were novel ideas and Linux hadn't yet picked them up.
I use FreeBSD. It works fine, and I've configured it to be secure. Is there any reason for me to move over to OpenBSD ? I don't care about minimal or some reasons like that, I already have Alpine linux for that. Any other reason(s) ?
But there are downsides. Upgrading OpenBSD can feel painful to the point where I put it off (though it's getting better). You may have to randomly re-write a config file at upgrade time, or sometimes release-to-release they will remove useful features, like Linux emulation a few years ago. FreeBSD ports and pkg sometimes has stuff that I don't see in OBSD's ports tree.
I think to answer the question you'd need to take a look at what features, hardware support, and ports you need, and how well OpenBSD does or doesn't suit it. Maybe try out OBSD on a USB stick or something and see how you like it.