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Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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It's about time we admit the emperor has no clothes. BTC/ETH/XYY/123 can store value (I don't care to get into the fluctuations right now) and moving it around can be a lot easier than outdated systems like ACH but they are terrible for paying for things. Maybe something like the lightning network or similar will be able to solve part of that but accepting BTC has always been more of a fad/PR-move than an actual busi…

Gray/dark web stuff is different in America/most European countries than in other parts of the world though.

Just because something is perfectly legal here, doesn't mean that it's the same elsewhere.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#92

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Depends on the industry. For very large transactions, like if you are paying a home improvement contractor for something, they will often make you eat the fees if you want to pay with a credit card. So you end up having to figure out where your checkbook is (probably collecting dust in a box somewhere). I give Bitcoin and LN a continuous pass on UX for now. We're in the infrastructure phase -- growing trust and impro…

> So you end up having to figure out where your checkbook is (probably collecting dust in a box somewhere). Are you based in the US? Because almost everywhere else in the world when you say checkbook, people picture movies from the 1970s. When paying a home improvement contractor, they send me an invoice where they have an IBAN. I point my banks app at it, it pops up a screen where I just type in the amount that I wi…

That's not limited to large payments such as home improvements, either. I do the same thing to pay the guy who comes to tune our piano; I even did it to pay each of the individual cleaners who did a few hours end-of-tenancy cleaning for us the last time we moved.

Checking my chequebook, I see it's well over a year since I last used it.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Bitcoin has the same sort of issues that plague Linux Desktop and why Linux never took off as the defacto standard for PC OS. It’s the lack of user focus. Setting up a bitcoin account, understanding the security implications, hardware wallet, secret keys, the whole enchilada is too big for an average consumer to digest. Somewhere in Jobs’ biography by Walter Isaacson, there is a snippet about how products often fail…

I have a better analogy: Bitcoin has the same sort of issues as TCP/IP. It's weird that people are expected to interact with it on the protocol level. I think the term "cryptocurrency" is the "Big Data" of 2018. The term itself has been somewhat tarnished, but the underlying technology is super useful and will find its way into a lot of applications. And no, I don't mean "blockchain". I mean Bitcoin... it's rather ni…

> underlying technology is super useful and will find its way into a lot of applications.

I can't think of any other use cases other than illegal black markets.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#94

It's about time we admit the emperor has no clothes. BTC/ETH/XYY/123 can store value (I don't care to get into the fluctuations right now) and moving it around can be a lot easier than outdated systems like ACH but they are terrible for paying for things. Maybe something like the lightning network or similar will be able to solve part of that but accepting BTC has always been more of a fad/PR-move than an actual busi…

>Maybe something like the lightning network or similar will be able to solve part

The article mentions they also take Dash which transacts pretty much instantly for less than 1c but still hasn't taken off apart from maybe a few outlets in Venezuela.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#95
post #67

> Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Actual title is "Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In"

The actual title is link bait. On HN, people don't want to have to read through the whole article to reach a conclusion. In this case, it's perfectly valid to include the main point of the article - Bitcoin failed.

Do I sense another ulterior motive for you to force the title to change? I've definitely seen this behavior on Reddit.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#96

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> See, neither of these things can be presented to a user as a tool that can make their lives better Did you read the article? Quoting: "In 2014 a large school of thought suggested that the main breakthrough use case for Bitcoin would be peer to peer transactions. That being customers and businesses paying for goods and services directly between one another without having to rely on payment networks such as Visa." Th…

> That being customers and businesses paying for goods and services directly between one another without having to rely on payment networks such as Visa. We already have cash for that! It completely ignores the reasons why people use payment networks like Visa instead of just exchanging cash. There are fraud protections, credit, reward points, etc. What bitcoin brings to the table is simply not something very many pe…

I’m with you. They’re not designed for consumer use. The core of the argument of this thread is - these technologies are being marketed and pitched towards consumers despite of what you’re highlighting.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#97
post #35
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a better analogy: Bitcoin has the same sort of issues as TCP/IP. It's weird that people are expected to interact with it on the protocol level. I think the term "cryptocurrency" is the "Big Data" of 2018. The term itself has been somewhat tarnished, but the underlying technology is super useful and will find its way into a lot of applications. And no, I don't mean "blockchain". I mean Bitcoin... it's rather ni…

Most of the issues with "international banking" are infact just issues with North American banks. I can transfer large sums of money around Europe and it will arrive in few days at the very latest. Within the same country transfers mostly arrive the same day (often it's under 1 hour), and sometimes that happens internationally too. Oh and I don't need to pay anything for that. A few years ago I was working in the Mid…

It's weird that slow banking is something that makes credit cards more useful.

And credit card transfers earn more money ( just putting 1 and 2 together)

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#98

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It's worse than that; there is no compelling reason to use it for the vast majority of people. It's a strictly worse experience in nearly all respects compared to centralized options except in the case of dark net commerce where it's the only option.

It could be easier for tourism, online transactions, and person to person transactions. However, it's not, largely because of a chicken and egg problem similar to that which plagues Linux. People don't use Bitcoin because it's complicated and unstable. It's complicated and unstable because the types of people that use it want to speculate with it or use it for illegal purposes. Just making it more approachable won't…

How can it get any easier than one of the 87 different mobile apps that let you send money to another person with a few taps?

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#99
Bitcoin on-chain transactions are almost on its historical peak again:

https://www.blockchain.com/charts/n-transactions?timespan=al...

This forum has been denying bitcoin since the first time someone posted about it:

first time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=463793

second time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=599852

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

#100
We got a regular trickle of three to ten orders per month for about three years, until the rally to 5-digits broke the system because transaction costs started to surpass our order values.

...which was excellent, because we had forgotten the entire system even existed. We had accrued a few hundred orders in the $80 range, many paid at exchange rates < $100.

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