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Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Bitcoin has the same sort of issues that plague Linux Desktop and why Linux never took off as the defacto standard for PC OS. It’s the lack of user focus. Setting up a bitcoin account, understanding the security implications, hardware wallet, secret keys, the whole enchilada is too big for an average consumer to digest. Somewhere in Jobs’ biography by Walter Isaacson, there is a snippet about how products often fail…

I have a better analogy: Bitcoin has the same sort of issues as TCP/IP. It's weird that people are expected to interact with it on the protocol level. I think the term "cryptocurrency" is the "Big Data" of 2018. The term itself has been somewhat tarnished, but the underlying technology is super useful and will find its way into a lot of applications. And no, I don't mean "blockchain". I mean Bitcoin... it's rather ni…

Bitcoin, BTC was taken over by a team lead by Adam Back and Greg Maxwell. With near $100 M in funding they have the set goal of making it as hard as possible for users and in fact push for higher and higher fees on the BTC network.

Bitcoin, BCH, forked before Adam Back and his troll team took over the GitHub repo, so BCH is closer to bitcoin than BTC.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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post #11

Of possible interest, Moon, a company in our our accelerator cohort, lets people pay with crypto on any website that accepts credit cards: https://paywithmoon.com/

And why would you choose a slower, more expensive, more cumbersome and less secure method of payment when you can just use a credit card?

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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ITT: Bitcoin as a store of value not a medium of exchange. They should look into decentralized stablecoins like DAI (1 DAI = 1$). Particularly xDAI and BurnerWallet https://medium.com/gitcoin/burner-wallet-at-ethdenver-was-fa... are interesting.

I've been given some xDAI at an event, and spent hours trying to get them out of the burner wallet, to no avail. This left a very bad impression to many people there.

They're still stuck there.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Bitcoin has the same sort of issues that plague Linux Desktop and why Linux never took off as the defacto standard for PC OS. It’s the lack of user focus. Setting up a bitcoin account, understanding the security implications, hardware wallet, secret keys, the whole enchilada is too big for an average consumer to digest. Somewhere in Jobs’ biography by Walter Isaacson, there is a snippet about how products often fail…

It's worse than that; there is no compelling reason to use it for the vast majority of people. It's a strictly worse experience in nearly all respects compared to centralized options except in the case of dark net commerce where it's the only option.

It could be easier for tourism, online transactions, and person to person transactions. However, it's not, largely because of a chicken and egg problem similar to that which plagues Linux.

People don't use Bitcoin because it's complicated and unstable. It's complicated and unstable because the types of people that use it want to speculate with it or use it for illegal purposes. Just making it more approachable won't fix the stability issues, so it likely won't increase the number of users in a meaningful enough way to get it to take off.

The same is true for desktop Linux. And installing Linux is often easier than installing another OS (Windows or macOS). Take Ubuntu or Mint, for example. They're the most popular among users new to Linux, and installation is as easy or easier than Windows since drivers come preinstalled and the user is prompted if proprietary drivers are available. The problems arise when trying to use software not deigned for Linux (e.g. MS Office), and this is getting better all the time with investment into the Windows compatibility layer by Valve.

However, the chicken and egg problem will always be there. A decentralized system like Bitcoin can't really be saved by investment from a third party since it can't solve the volatility problem without centralization.

For this reason, I think looking at centralized, but not government run, systems is interesting. For example, GNU Taler is a centralized cryptocurrency that can be used for anything (one example was currency used at conferences) with incredibly low transaction costs. I think it's interesting because it gets people used to using something digital (and not government provided/managed) to make transactions, but without having to deal with volatility inherent in cryptocurrencies, and once cryptocurrencies stabilize, perhaps they can be a drop-in replacement.

I really want decentralized currencies to work out (largely to make traveling less of a pain), but nothing I've seen is worth making more user-friendly.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin is terrible for storing value.

It's been a great store of value over the past 6 years. It has outperformed every major index and currency. If you had invested just $10K in Bitcoin in May 2013, by July 2013 you would have lost almost half of your money... But if you were smart and had held on to it, today you would have over $350K! As Warren Buffet would say, you just have to buy when everyone else is selling and sell when everyone else is buying.…

> It's been a great store of value over the past 6 years.

I don't think you understand what "store of value" means. Store of value means little to no volatility. Meanwhile, Bitcoin is one of the most volatile assets in existence. And a real store of value is a store of value permanently not just over a certain period of time.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the issues with "international banking" are infact just issues with North American banks. I can transfer large sums of money around Europe and it will arrive in few days at the very latest. Within the same country transfers mostly arrive the same day (often it's under 1 hour), and sometimes that happens internationally too. Oh and I don't need to pay anything for that. A few years ago I was working in the Mid…

> Most of the issues with "international banking" are infact just issues with North American banks. This. Whenever someone says that Cryptocurrencies solve money transfer problems, I look where they are based and 99% of the cases it is the US. In Europe, transferring money is the same internationally as it is nationally. Type in the IBAN and the name of the recipient and they get it the same day, or latest the next d…

So? There's a huge amount of currency flowing to and from North America to Europe, Asia, etc. Just because the euro zone has standardized their banking system doesn't mean a) that America will ever do the same (cough the metric system cough), or b) that all movement of money across borders should be strictly the purview of banks.

In Canada alone people send $23.3B/year back to their country of origin in the form of remittances (China, India, the Philippines, etc.). Historically they've been massively overcharged for the privilege of doing so because they're held captive to our oligopolistic banking system - sometimes upwards of 20% because they regularly send smaller amounts to minimize risk.

Re: Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In, No Customers

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post #67

> Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Actual title is "Accepting Bitcoin as a Small Business – 4 Years In"

Since that day over four years ago and the time of writing, we have not had one customer ask to pay in Bitcoin, Dash or any other cryptocurrency.

I viewed it as a useful summary of the article, quoting from the article, not editorializing.

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