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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Dahoon »

_wmd wrote: post #429
Mirioron wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately this is inaccurate. There are billions of daily adolescent YouTube users, some of whom entering puberty that were exposed and continue to be exposed to the recommendation algorithm that created this mess in the first place, and for periods running into hours every evening. You are talking about a different issue. > At such an early stage in development, it is absolutely the company's duty of care to e…

> Why would it be the company's duty of care and not the parent's? It is the company's duty of care for the same reason that - it is the city's duty of care if the child goes outside and falls down an unmaintained manhole - it is the school's duty of care if a fire extinguisher malfunctions and kills the child - it is the driver's duty of care if the child crosses the road and gets struck on a green crossing In all t…

>that enables the freedom for the child to go outside whatsoever

But this is not comparable to "going outside" at all. This is "seeking out and going onto private property and seeing stuff you shouldn't". The logic that a company is comparable to public spaces doesn't hold water. YouTube is not a public space any more than Pornhub or 4chan is. If 4chan wanted to cater to 10 year olds (yes yes I know) then the way to do so would clearly not be to remove content not suitable to kids but to create a separate place for those kids.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by codetrotter »

m712 wrote: post #469
codetrotter wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there is no evidence of the mechanisms you describe. Which part? If we are talking about this part: >> I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. Then I think there is evidence of that being true. Take for example “incels”. They gather in online forums where they construct a worldview built entirely on misogyny, entitlement and hate. The ideas they are s…

You are accusing an entire group of people of an action that you deem unacceptable. That is rather discriminatory of you.

No, I am literally talking about the group of “incels” that are specifically engaging in hate speech.

The people I am talking about here are outright promoting rape, violence and child abuse. Not indirectly. Not between the lines. Just straight up stating those kinds of things.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Dahoon »

derefr wrote: post #107
MBCook wrote: post #75

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Honestly is it so bad if most videos end up turning off comments in the future? I use a blocker to hide comments and don’t seem to miss much. Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit.

> Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit. Yes, exactly. I've never understood why content-host sites seem to think attaching first-party comment hosting directly to hosted content is a good idea. Why not just host what you host, and then let aggregator/discussion sites (various subreddits, various private forums, Usenet, Slack/Discord groups, etc.†) link to your thing-that-you host and host c…

> I've never understood why content-host sites

YouTube isn't a content host (in Google's opinion AFAIK). It is "Social media". So more comparable to Facebook removing comments.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by cf141q5325 »

codetrotter wrote: post #453
raxxorrax wrote: post #447

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I think there is no evidence of the mechanisms you describe. That could have been a text written about books shortly after Gutenberg. The kids will flee the garden eventually anyway and "allowable discourse" is quite subjective. You will never create a child-proof youtube. Those kids will eclipse your abilities and understanding at some point. It would be better to create a separate platform

> I think there is no evidence of the mechanisms you describe. Which part? If we are talking about this part: >> I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. Then I think there is evidence of that being true. Take for example “incels”. They gather in online forums where they construct a worldview built entirely on misogyny, entitlement and hate. The ideas they are s…

Those horrible people still exist either way, they just dont say out loud what they think. You dont restrict people thinking that way but people talking out loud about it. The no platform approach was rather successful in Germany when it came to pushing the extreme right out of the public discourse and banning their parties. But that only works as long as they dont organize a platform of their own. Then you have a far right party rising into parliament and entering as the second largest party in some states.

People dont change you just filter them from your view of reality. And its no surprise people who bothered to look knew rather well that they existed.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Dahoon »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #150
Sargos wrote: post #25

What a ham fisted reaction to the controversy. Now all content creators have to ensure that no kids are ever in their videos, which includes background footage and movie clips. I think this is a major problem with our current centralized model of the internet where giant corporations make all the rules. Large corporations have no ability to rationally judge situations or inject nuance into discussions. They simply ta…

Agreed about the problem of centralization on the internet, but this problem is what happens. Ignored problems are amplified, but this is Google’s responsibility to police and fix.

What are the parents role?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Dahoon »

m23khan wrote: post #151

As a Father of very young kids, I think this is nothing short of emergency. Not only commenting on kids videos should be banned, also youtube should heavily vet and tag all their kids related videos -- these days kids are hooked on watching cartoons and poems on youtube and a lot of times, there are really garbage videos targeting kids just showing little girls buying and playing with make ups, cleaning houses and le…

>also youtube should heavily vet and tag all their kids related videos

Clearly YouTube usage needs adult supervision more than Google trying to moderate comments and blocking specific content from children. I will never work.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by clusmore »

I would love to see a solution for this in the browser. If there was a tag, or some metadata attribute that indicated where each part of the document originally came from, you could just configure your browser to not render parts you don't trust. So in this case, YouTube could just flag the comment section as being provided by other users, and you can choose to block it if you don't trust other users to provide appropriate content. I would love to say that websites would flag ads as coming from a 3rd party ad company, and we could choose to block those too, but of course they wouldn't.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by pysxul »

This is leading for some to crazy situation: I am following this guy who lived in china and make video about culture shock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeI0-ijIotk&ab_channel=laowh...

He happened to be married and have children. Youtube disabled all comments on all of his video because like one or two feature his kids ... But 99% of his content doesn't feature them

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by oliwarner »

jawns wrote: post #9

Chris Ulmer, who runs the popular YouTube channel Special Books for Special Kids, said that comments were removed from his channel despite no evidence of unacceptable comments, and YouTube told him that if he turned comments back on, he risked his channel being deleted. [EDIT: Turns out, this is not actually the case. See child comments.] https://twitter.com/chrisulmer/status/1099366622329036801 "Last night I realize…

> YouTube content creators are now in the unenviable position where they need to actively moderate the comments section

Why is that so wrong?

I understand that it's often hard work. I understand that they might want to be making videos, or product-placing, or whatever it is any given creator wants to be doing, but they're the people at the hub of their own communities.

They should have some responsibility over the conduct displayed there. And if they don't want that, they can host it themselves somewhere else, or disable comments.

Honestly, I feel YouTube would be a lot nicer place if the standards required weren't just the channel owner's. Plenty of niches are way too happy to foster the the next /b/.

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