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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Youtube comments...

Ultimately, YT comments are fairly horrible. Apart from an occasionally decent joke or even more occasional comment from the video's subject, youtube comments are either nasty or banal... with a high % of nasty. Racism, nasty politics, sexual harassment, other kinds of harassment... The median top comment is a troll.

Of all the major social media, I can't think of a worse commenting culture.

Banning comments on children sounds like a decent decision from "the suits" to curb the most harmful effects but... where are the product people?

Surely, someone, at some point, has had ideas for how to improve this travesty of a discussion feature. It's not like you're risking much. Even if changes kill commenting entirely...

How could google let this be so terrible for so long?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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This assumes, that giving someone free speech forces you to listen to it. Do you have an example of where this happens to you?

Not, not forced, but then I did say it was an absurd example. Slightly different qualitatively from my hypothetical: there are plenty of examples of unwanted speech appearing in places, and while they are not forced to actually read it, the "owners" of those places are unable to stop it. For example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/feb/27/facebook-...

You still can set your page to private if i am not mistaken. And you are also not forced to use facebook in the first place. I understand that its unpleasant and annoying in public, but the assumption that someone elses free speech in a public place affects you personally whether you want it or not doesnt seem necessary true to me.

While not so well worded, i do agree with the broad rational, that in order to restrict free speech in public, some sort decision has to be made about what is allowed and what not. Like it is with everything from laws to social norms. The methods for decision making are broad, from authoritarian, to economical, over technical to consensus based decision making. But they are all methods of decision making. Asking who, or better how that decision is made is a sensible concern.

There are two people needed for a conversation in a public place. You have the ability to leave. You are not forced to listen to anyone. In a private context this is another topic altogether. You can kick someone out of your facebook group, unfriend him or block him. If they then show up at your front door we are talking harassment not free speech. Which is why the loophole of anti abortion protestors being allowed in the streets in front of clinics is such a horrible situation.

I know its annoying to be confronted with stuff you dont like, when your private life takes place in alot of public places, but that is your choice. You dont have to have a public facebook profile, you dont have to have a public youtube channel. And facebook and youtube as a whole dont have to be a public place if they decided otherwise.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Youtube comments... Ultimately, YT comments are fairly horrible. Apart from an occasionally decent joke or even more occasional comment from the video's subject, youtube comments are either nasty or banal... with a high % of nasty. Racism, nasty politics, sexual harassment, other kinds of harassment... The median top comment is a troll. Of all the major social media, I can't think of a worse commenting culture. Banni…

If you think YouTube comments are bad, I recommend you to visit the Twitch (Gaming) stream chats.

It will change your perception of 'horrible comments'

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Youtube comments... Ultimately, YT comments are fairly horrible. Apart from an occasionally decent joke or even more occasional comment from the video's subject, youtube comments are either nasty or banal... with a high % of nasty. Racism, nasty politics, sexual harassment, other kinds of harassment... The median top comment is a troll. Of all the major social media, I can't think of a worse commenting culture. Banni…

that’s simply not true. it depends entirely on what you are watching. i follow a number of artisan channels (blacksmith, for example) and the comments are overwhelmingly positive, and often helpful.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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This is one of the reasons I think anonymity on the Internet is a bad thing. Not that I am saying it should be banned, but it should not be the norm. Much of the toxicity simply would not happen, could be prosecuted, or could be filtered if a "real person" attribute was widely available.

You are not the first person to think this, and some even put it into practice [0] hoping it would frontload forum moderation, but couldn't follow through with it [1]. As another commenter pointed out, facebook (and facebook-based commenting) has plenty of trolls in public comment sections. Anonymity is not what makes people jerks. More real reasons why internet forums enable trolls include: - the asynchronicity of n…

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I would add the most powerful (because most feared) form of feedback available in face-to-face communication: physical violence.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Yeah, Jeff Skiles's comment got a lot of replies and he replied to some of them. This spontaneous AMA thing was definitely valuable, made the guy even more approachable! Cramming everything into one flat thread has already been done in phpbb and works for small threads but big threads get into issues when you are not interested in every part of the discussion but only some.

How about a modification of my proposal: 1. the creator has their own private forum (e.g. a Discord group); 2. you, as a potenial commenter, can easily join said group as a guest, with your YouTube credentials used to identify you in the group; 3. or you can also just post "into" the group without joining it, using the form below the video; 4. the community itself can be deputized to moderate such comments; 5. the co…

just promotes a "goto reddit/discord" mentality which hurts discussion once reddit/discord cracks down on your interests.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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I might be in the minority here but I enjoy the low quality youtube comments. Most people dismiss them as cancer but the reality is a lot of people think in patterns that drive these comments. I would rather be in touch with and exposed to this rather than try to pretend it doesn’t exist. It won’t ever go away, it will just be hidden.

I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. In addition to an overall significant lowering of the discourse around things by allowing garbage quality trolls and other horrible comments, and in addition to bullying, aggressive behavior, stalking, and other things that are broadly considered unpleasant, this kind of behavior breeds more of this behavior. Consider som…

I think there is no evidence of the mechanisms you describe. That could have been a text written about books shortly after Gutenberg.

The kids will flee the garden eventually anyway and "allowable discourse" is quite subjective.

You will never create a child-proof youtube. Those kids will eclipse your abilities and understanding at some point.

It would be better to create a separate platform

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Legitimate question, does this apply to any video in which a minor appears for even a very brief period? If you're recording an hour-long video podcast, and a child of one of the hosts runs through the room in the background for one second, does that entire video get comments removed?

if the magical youtube bot picks it up then up in flames your channel will go

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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YouTube steadily moves toward the TV station model.

Honestly is it so bad if most videos end up turning off comments in the future? I use a blocker to hide comments and don’t seem to miss much. Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit.

Why are people so keen on restricting the rights of others? You have your solution and everything is fine, no?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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This comment breaks the site guidelines—in particular this one: " Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " You also got into some pretty flamey discussions elsewhere, e.g. the religious flamebait in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275923—not cool on Hacker News. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinato…

Hi dang, I’m given to understand that you’re one of the moderators here. I’ve tried to contact you three times in theee weeks through email, and this is my third time trying to get your attention in the comments, so far without a response. Is there a better way to contact you? I don’t feel good about inserting my comment in an unrelated post like this, but I’m unsure what else to do.

I've had good results sending messages to mailbox named "hn" in the "ycombinator" domain, in "com" TLD.
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