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YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by toufiqbarhamov »

dang wrote: post #396
Mirioron wrote: post #210

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I agree! Since Hacker News could also potentially be such a way to disseminate bad information we should remove all comments here too. See the problem? That's basically what you're justifying.

This comment breaks the site guidelines—in particular this one: " Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " You also got into some pretty flamey discussions elsewhere, e.g. the religious flamebait in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275923—not cool on Hacker News. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinato…

Hi dang, I’m given to understand that you’re one of the moderators here. I’ve tried to contact you three times in theee weeks through email, and this is my third time trying to get your attention in the comments, so far without a response. Is there a better way to contact you? I don’t feel good about inserting my comment in an unrelated post like this, but I’m unsure what else to do.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by dbdjfjrjvebd »

colechristensen wrote: post #345
disillusioned wrote: post #170

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I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. In addition to an overall significant lowering of the discourse around things by allowing garbage quality trolls and other horrible comments, and in addition to bullying, aggressive behavior, stalking, and other things that are broadly considered unpleasant, this kind of behavior breeds more of this behavior. Consider som…

This is one of the reasons I think anonymity on the Internet is a bad thing. Not that I am saying it should be banned, but it should not be the norm. Much of the toxicity simply would not happen, could be prosecuted, or could be filtered if a "real person" attribute was widely available.

Ironic you would say this on a low toxicity anonymous forum.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by tastroder »

joe_the_user wrote: post #405
FeepingCreature wrote: post #398

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Yeah but also your moderators are actually just users who don't know anything about moderation, and you didn't tell them at any point that they have to handle moderation duties.

So you turn comments off and tell them if they do turn it on, they have to moderate the comments.

Does YouTube even provide tools to let people do effective moderation nowadays? Just telling content creators that it's essentially their problem now can't be the whole solution. This reads like the typical Google response of leaving the people that fill their platform with quality without any useful feedback.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by black-tea »

m23khan wrote: post #151

As a Father of very young kids, I think this is nothing short of emergency. Not only commenting on kids videos should be banned, also youtube should heavily vet and tag all their kids related videos -- these days kids are hooked on watching cartoons and poems on youtube and a lot of times, there are really garbage videos targeting kids just showing little girls buying and playing with make ups, cleaning houses and le…

Don't let them use YouTube. It's an adult platform. When I was little we weren't allowed to watch TV after a certain time.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by archon810 »

tastroder wrote: post #413
joe_the_user wrote: post #405

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So you turn comments off and tell them if they do turn it on, they have to moderate the comments.

Does YouTube even provide tools to let people do effective moderation nowadays? Just telling content creators that it's essentially their problem now can't be the whole solution. This reads like the typical Google response of leaving the people that fill their platform with quality without any useful feedback.

YouTube moderation tools were abhorrent last time I tried them.

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Post by nl »

busterarm wrote: post #378
nl wrote: post #360

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You seem to be missing the point. This isn't about children making comments. It's about comments by adults about children.

My point is that if the existing laws were followed, children shouldn't ever be seeing those comments unless their parents are insane and allowed them to...Don't give your young children a youtube account. Youtube can and should add blocking _ALL_ comments to the parental controls. If all of these services weren't being offered for completely free, you could require a credit card purchase to make an account and solve…

It's not risk to children reading them, it's promotion of pedophilia that is the problem.

You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist.

You don't pretend they don't exist, but you don't let them normalize their conduct either. And that is absolutely what is happening with the previous approach.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Uberphallus »

archon810 wrote: post #415
tastroder wrote: post #413

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Does YouTube even provide tools to let people do effective moderation nowadays? Just telling content creators that it's essentially their problem now can't be the whole solution. This reads like the typical Google response of leaving the people that fill their platform with quality without any useful feedback.

YouTube moderation tools were abhorrent last time I tried them.

Yeah, and most of the channels I follow have 1-5 people producing them while sitting on millions of subscribers and tens of thousands of comments on most videos.

It will just kill small but successful channels because of the sheer amount of moderation to do.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by ghaff »

ndnxhs wrote: post #410
jaabe wrote: post #388

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I think HN is actually a poster child of strong moderation on social media, because it remains relevant by being one of the most regulated platforms. There is a reason this place hasn’t devolved into complete and utter uselessness as well as why you rarely see any form of political debate, and it’s exactly because this places isn’t liberatarian in its approach to free speech. Free speech comes with responsibility, an…

HN is self selecting a higher quality audience. The content is interesting to an educated audience, the website contains very little fluff/idle entertainment and the ui is ugly to the average user.

While true, the moderation system also tends to discourage the snarky or ad hominem attack that at least some of us might otherwise be attempted to make from time to time.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by keerthiko »

colechristensen wrote: post #345
disillusioned wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. In addition to an overall significant lowering of the discourse around things by allowing garbage quality trolls and other horrible comments, and in addition to bullying, aggressive behavior, stalking, and other things that are broadly considered unpleasant, this kind of behavior breeds more of this behavior. Consider som…

This is one of the reasons I think anonymity on the Internet is a bad thing. Not that I am saying it should be banned, but it should not be the norm. Much of the toxicity simply would not happen, could be prosecuted, or could be filtered if a "real person" attribute was widely available.

You are not the first person to think this, and some even put it into practice [0] hoping it would frontload forum moderation, but couldn't follow through with it [1].

As another commenter pointed out, facebook (and facebook-based commenting) has plenty of trolls in public comment sections. Anonymity is not what makes people jerks. More real reasons why internet forums enable trolls include:

- the asynchronicity of negative feedback: our primitive brains don't get to closely associate the negative feedback with the moment we expressed something in a socially unacceptable manner

- the lower bandwidth of negative feedback: IRL involves awkward silences, dirty looks, snickering, people turning up their nose at you, telling their children not to be like you within earshot, etc. All of this is suppressed over the internet, at most summarised by a downvote (which some trolls feed off of as positive feedback, knowing they ticked someone off, but don't face immediate social consequence). The trolls don't get conditioned to avoid doing things that hurt other people or are socially unacceptable.

[0] https://kotaku.com/blizzards-real-name-forum-policy-has-fans... [1] https://kotaku.com/blizzard-scraps-plans-to-display-real-nam...

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by house_atr »

xfitm3 wrote: post #157
jawns wrote: post #9

Chris Ulmer, who runs the popular YouTube channel Special Books for Special Kids, said that comments were removed from his channel despite no evidence of unacceptable comments, and YouTube told him that if he turned comments back on, he risked his channel being deleted. [EDIT: Turns out, this is not actually the case. See child comments.] https://twitter.com/chrisulmer/status/1099366622329036801 "Last night I realize…

I might be in the minority here but I enjoy the low quality youtube comments. Most people dismiss them as cancer but the reality is a lot of people think in patterns that drive these comments. I would rather be in touch with and exposed to this rather than try to pretend it doesn’t exist. It won’t ever go away, it will just be hidden.

Harassing people on the street and being a total scum is awful. But I would rather be exposed to this reality of human nature rather than having laws that just simply hide it.

That's how dumb that sounded.

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