How many data scientists do you think it took to decide this exact phrase?
“For 6% more money, you get 9% more range, more power, and an upgraded interior.“
$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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Always something negative when it comes to Tesla. They finally delivered on their promise of a $35k model 3, which is a monumental achievement, and yet the top comment is about the website. Haven't seen the desktop site, but on mobile the full price of $35k is clearly visible.
Monumental achievement like the $36.6K Chevy Volt https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev-electric-car (with longer range than Model 3)
MSRP with traditional dealers is never correct.
I picked up my Bolt for 30,900 in December of last year. (w/ fast charging option)
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"This is 2019," he said. "People want to buy things online." But he added that franchise-dealer opposition would be a violation of interstate commerce, and that is unconstitutional. "Good luck with that," Musk said. Sounds like Musk likes to pick and choose the laws he follows. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of...
Middlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.
This person has a point. We should put a thin layer of collective consumer organization (regional, statewide, national, global, or some other user-defined organization) that's programmatically (smart-contract-based) guaranteed to hunt for better bulk deals with the supplier within certain convenience parameters (e.g. "I want to buy mine within the month"). If these were open-source programs (ideally run in trustless blockchain envs) then the competition to create a popular one would undercut their middleman profits to optimally-tiny percentages due to arbitrage.
As it stands, we are an unorganized mob who the middlemen and manufacturers are squabbling over and each making a profit. But it's becoming pretty clear we'll be able to program the middlemen cheaper/better in the near future (or services can just offer direct-online shopping), so should that remaining profit go to the manufacturer or the consumer? Tesla's being pretty generous now (or appears to be), but future (and present) direct online shippers may benefit greatly from the organizational imbalance. This is the same argument for collectively-purchased (government) healthcare, I believe.
(And yes, companies obviously should be compensated according to their risk and willingness to invest at scarce times - Tesla certainly deserves big praise from many angles - but examining this relationship from a societal standpoint and collectively bargaining for the end consumer (advocating for the poorest of us) is important too)
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You have a valid point about inexperienced owners but the car (more premium Model 3s) has been favorably compared with a BMW M3 in a similar price range, by people who know premium cars well, and they have called it a toss-up just on driving feel alone. Which has a totally different character in the two cars but both fantastic. That’s without even taking into account cost of ownership, auto pilot features, safety, be…
More favorably compared by who? I’ve sat in model 3,s, and x, and when compared with similar priced BMW or Mercs, there is a massive difference in interior luxury and comfort. Seriously, go and experience being inside a 100k 7 series bmw to a 100k model s. It’s like night and day in comparison. The Tesla’s always feel cheap in comparison. The handling, road noise, luxury features, seat comfort, etc are all inferior i…
I’ve had the opposite experience.
A friend took me for a drive in their model 3 recently. At one point we hit around 130mph, and it was the smoothest and quietest ride I’ve ever had at the speed.
That being said the BMW 7s I’ve been in were all from the early 2000s, but I never found any other car to be as quiet as a Tesla.
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#465This thread is like politics - ignoring the amazing fact that an electric vehicle that can travel 220 miles is 35k (where many hybrids and other electric cars are way over that price point), to discuss the nuances of Tesla’s business model and how they market delivery fees etc. Comical. People 10 years ago would say WTF if they knew a high tech, all electric car with self driving ability was even remotely near 40k(in…
I see that point, but since Tesla has been around for a while now, consumers cannot keep giving them a pass solely because of the technical feats Tesla has achieved. They need to be held to the same criticism from the business standpoint as any other company would be (especially since Tesla is trying to position themselves as a middle-class-friendly option for EVs with the model 3).
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Including the credits in the price used to be pretty shady, since you had to have a sufficient pre-credit tax liability to actually get the full benefit of the credit. (The EV credit is non-refundable, meaning that if you don't have a tax liability, you don't get anything from the credit.) But the Trump Tax Bill lowered everyone's refunds (largely because the IRS lowered withholding during the year), so more people h…
Eligibility for tax credits is unaffected by witholding rates or how large your end-of-year refund or liability is. And anyone who can afford a Tesla is sure to be paying enough income tax to get the full value of the EV credit.
I love being told how taxes work by people on the internet....
I do this for a living. I have plenty of clients who saw little to no benefit from the EV credit because their tax liability was not large enough.
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Those were problems with some early deliveries. Things have improved a lot over time.
> Things have improved a lot over time. I'm going by what I've seen of people receiving orders in the last few months, over what time has it improved? If you buy one now, will the fitment compare to (for example) GM by the time it is delivered? How likely is the paint to be scratched all the way through to the base coat on delivery? I want to believe that they can make these things right, but honestly I can not have…
You might want to compare other makes, assuming "given what I've seen" is purely anecdotal:
https://www.google.com/search?q=honda+paint+defects+on+deliv...
https://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+paint+defects+on+deliver...
https://www.google.com/search?q=chevy+paint+defects+on+deliv...
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I have never once paid a delivery fee for a new car. I do not know anyone who has bought a non-luxury car that has paid a delivery fee for a car. OTOH, I do know many people who paid delivery fees for customized luxury cars. The $35k Model 3, however, is not a luxury car and is barely customizable, even to the extent of available add-on packages.
Oh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere charges a "Destination Fee." That is what you pay for delivery to the dealer's. That line item for the price of the car is non-negotiable. There is wiggle room on MSRP etc. This was the first google result that came up for "car destination fee" :- A "destination charge" is a fee that the manufacturer charges to deliver a vehicle from the factory to the dealership, and that is…
Oh no, I definitely have never paid a delivery fee. I am one of those weirdos that reads the entire sales contact before signing.
You have to be pretty bad at negotiating to be hit with a delivery fee since in my neck of the woods, aka SoCal, most dealers will waive that for everyone.
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Middlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.
The US is the only country that follows this scheme, and it's only certain manufacturers that let their franchises get away with that. Next time try buying a Honda or a Subaru. There's almost no wiggle-room in price.
I own a Toyota and I was definitely able to negotiate a lower price.
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"This is 2019," he said. "People want to buy things online." But he added that franchise-dealer opposition would be a violation of interstate commerce, and that is unconstitutional. "Good luck with that," Musk said. Sounds like Musk likes to pick and choose the laws he follows. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of...
I'm glad he has picked this one to break then. Requiring a middleman to sell cars is even stupider than taxi medallions.
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