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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by pinewurst » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #134

webninja wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:D “Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.” -Henry Ford (July 30, 1863 – April 7, 1947) This was in reference to the Ford Model T which was introduced at $850 in 1908 and was brought down to $300 in 1925.

I don't see why it's amusing though - it made sense as a way to keep costs down then and it does now. What's the problem?

It's amusing to me for the history repeating itself, quite probably intentionally - not a problem.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by trumped » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #9

Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…

> clearly it's geolocating by IP address here

so you can use a vpn/vps/etc to get the rebate?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by fullshark » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

sjm-yc-acct wrote: post #126

I wish they would hire the interior controls engineer that worked on the 8th gen. Mazda Protege. Simple, elegant, and ergonomic. That giant iPhone in the middle of the Tesla 3 puts a crick in my neck just from looking at the pictures.

Is this what you are talking about?

https://mazdasla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Mazda-Proteg...

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by AdrianB1 » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #136

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

I would be happy to be given this chance in Europe, I would order right now, but at double the price and limited availability we have other problems to deal with.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Rebelgecko » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

VikingCoder wrote: post #6

npunt wrote: post #4

Legit: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-pr... New Prices Cheap Interior Standard Range (220mi) - $35k Partial Premium Interior Standard Range Plus (240mi) - $37k Premium Interiors Mid Range (264mi) - $40k Long Range (325mi) - $43k Dual Motor Long Range (310mi) - $47k Dual Motor Performance (310mi) - $58k

Page says $26,950 for Standard Range for me, with an * * Prices above include potential incentives and gas savings. Learn More Weird.

They do some BS about how much gas you will save and say that makes the car cheaper. It seems incredibly dishonest to me unless they actually let me customize that value for my current car and travel habits, as well as factoring aspects of the Model 3 that can be more expensive (e.g. maintenance)

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Pfhreak » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:38 PM UTC

tfehring wrote: post #128

TheSmiddy wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. I definitely don't agree with Teslas practices of framing it that way, I'd rather they just show cost of ownership comparisons across a variety of cars. Especially since they can't even meet the demand they currently have, why resort to shady practices?

> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.

The maintenance costs definitely are cheaper than an ICE, in my experience. (Insurance and taxes, however, have been higher.)

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by sjm-yc-acct » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:40 PM UTC

fullshark wrote: post #183

sjm-yc-acct wrote: post #126

I wish they would hire the interior controls engineer that worked on the 8th gen. Mazda Protege. Simple, elegant, and ergonomic. That giant iPhone in the middle of the Tesla 3 puts a crick in my neck just from looking at the pictures.

Is this what you are talking about? https://mazdasla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Mazda-Proteg...

That's their modern one, Mazda 3 (oddly enough).

I was kind of joking with my original comment, because this was an economy car--but it actually is a nice design:

http://gtcarlot.com/data/Mazda/Protege/1999/12552040/Dashboa...

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by gowld » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:40 PM UTC

_s wrote: post #46

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

Absolutely - I made a comment a few years ago around the Model S pricing when they compared it to a E or S class Mercedes. The base price of a given vehicle is $35k, and then I'd spend either $1500/yr on fuel and maintenance o, or $500/yr on fuel and maintenance if it's - for example - electric, on top the of the base price. Spending $1000 less per year does not magically mean the car is now $34k. If anything, the pr…

The offical website Model S price built in a deduction for an estimate of billable income you could make by working instead of waiting next to your car while you fill the gas tank.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by tfehring » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:41 PM UTC

thebluehawk wrote: post #152

tfehring wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.

My experience is that insurance is the same and maintenance is cheaper with an electric vehicle.

I haven't owned an EV, so it sounds like you would know better than I would. It was my understanding that (1) liability coverage is cheaper for Teslas but comp/collision is substantially more expensive due to the high cost of replacement parts, and (2) maintenance/repairs for Teslas are infrequent but any repairs involving the battery are extremely costly.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Rebelgecko » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:41 PM UTC

dmode wrote: post #154

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

It actually understates the savings, since it only captures the Federal credit. CA gives out $2500 extra AND carpool stickers (admittedly more valuable than the tax credit)

I think at this point only a subset of Teslas are still eligible for the carpool sticker