$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now • Hacker News Board

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#151

Post by mrep » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:25 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #88

martin_bech wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its shady, but its not hypothetical, having owned a Model S for 4 years, I’ve saved a ton on fuel.

By that standard, they should also incorporate an amortized cost of battery replacement in the price.

Actually, you'll probably never need to change the battery as "the latest data shows less than 10% degradation of the energy capacity after over 160,000 miles on Tesla’s battery packs" [0]. Even if it degrades like 50% by the time the rest of the car dies, there will probably start to emerge a market for the old batteries to use them for grid storage where kwh/weight does not matter as much so you might even get some of your money back.

[0]: https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#152

Post by thebluehawk » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:25 PM UTC

tfehring wrote: post #128

TheSmiddy wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. I definitely don't agree with Teslas practices of framing it that way, I'd rather they just show cost of ownership comparisons across a variety of cars. Especially since they can't even meet the demand they currently have, why resort to shady practices?

> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.

My experience is that insurance is the same and maintenance is cheaper with an electric vehicle.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#153

Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:26 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #136

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

This is very good advice to keep in mind, but it's not Tesla's fault if the credit reporting agencies are terrible.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#154

Post by dmode » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:26 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

It actually understates the savings, since it only captures the Federal credit. CA gives out $2500 extra AND carpool stickers (admittedly more valuable than the tax credit)

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#155

Post by ivalm » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:28 PM UTC

codeulike wrote: post #102

npunt wrote: post #4

Legit: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-pr... New Prices Cheap Interior Standard Range (220mi) - $35k Partial Premium Interior Standard Range Plus (240mi) - $37k Premium Interiors Mid Range (264mi) - $40k Long Range (325mi) - $43k Dual Motor Long Range (310mi) - $47k Dual Motor Performance (310mi) - $58k

So presumably they are hoping many $35k buyers will be tempted by the $37k which presumably has a better margin for Tesla

Yup, the availability of "nice feature for 2-4k more" really drags up the price. I started looking at $35k, ended up wanting the $47k.. but that's a $12k increase...

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#156

Post by pxue » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:28 PM UTC

whatislovecraft wrote: post #81

iooi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Twitter account, but I recommend submitting this to: https://darkpatterns.org/ This is shameful and should be called out. Price is not the same thing as cost of ownership.

You can only use Dark Patterns with a Twitter account? Is this some kind of intentional irony or something? Social Login force-tied to a specific company is Dark Pattern #1 in my books. Edit: They define "dark pattern" at the top of their site: > Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to. That's exactly with Login With Twitter is. The user is pr…

Irony so thick you can karate chop it.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#157

Post by pkaye » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:28 PM UTC

kevindong wrote: post #32

CydeWeys wrote: post #9

Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…

The gas savings is definitely shady. But including the federal tax credits and destination fee is fair I think. As far as I'm aware, no auto maker includes the destination/docs/handling fee in the MSRP. The Tesla fee amount is comparable to other automakers also (it's on the high side at $1,200; but it's not too different from Toyota's $930 and Honda's $920). Presuming your location due to geolocation is a bit too fa…

Is there a destination charge if you pick it up from the factory?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#158

Post by sethammons » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:28 PM UTC

mvexel wrote: post #11

I'm confused about the return policy, on the glossy ordering web site it say 7 days / 1000 miles, but on the T&C page it says 3 days / 500 miles. It's an interesting policy regardless. In sounds like it's pretty much 'no questions asked'. Any experiences with this?

Toyota does a similar thing (at least around where I live). I had a week on both a new and used car purchase to return it (some caveats like dings and such).

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#159

Post by ivalm » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:30 PM UTC

mvexel wrote: post #11

I'm confused about the return policy, on the glossy ordering web site it say 7 days / 1000 miles, but on the T&C page it says 3 days / 500 miles. It's an interesting policy regardless. In sounds like it's pretty much 'no questions asked'. Any experiences with this?

The return is probably easy, but unless you are paying cash cancelling the loan and associated things on your credit report might be more difficult.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

#160

Post by sirmike_ » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:30 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #54

matz1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be shady and of course some people will despise it but if the net effect is sales increased, then they should do it.

Before, my impression of Tesla was that it's a company that has had some struggles but is genuinely trying to do a cool, useful, good thing. After, my impression of Tesla is that it's incredibly shady and manipulative, and I have a great deal of anger at it because this page is disgustingly deceptive. You've got to get a reasonable estimate of how much less likely I'm going to purchase a Tesla in the future, but befo…

Interesting but after hearing the stories of waiting days and weeks for delivery and for service I think it is best to wait a year or two more to make sure they have all the kinks worked out.

The way they are selling these I would hope someone would be looking and clicking on that details button and really looking to make sure it is for them.

Does anyone have a good real world average for current wait times for delivery and service? Also wondering what these are for the flyover states (midwest) where I am at vs the coasts.