Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform • Hacker News Board

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by icebraining » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 8:44 PM UTC

PaulRobinson wrote: post #15

ancorevard wrote: post #7

More important than the 0% commission is how open this platform will actually be, or will it also engage in politics and police certain speech as they see fit?

It is the law in France - as it is with most countries - that some forms of speech and expression are not tolerated and companies must not provide a platform for them. Extremism on both the left and the right isn't tolerated. Nazism, Antisemitism, etc. all fall into the same bucket. France - where Liberapay is based - notoriously has the "Burka Ban", preventing women from covering their faces in public. In the UK "in…

> Nudity/(consenting adult) sexual content is more likely to get a pass more so than US companies would allow

Unfortunately, Liberapay is beholden to its payment processors, which tend to ban sexual content; they're currently using Stripe, which bans quite a bit of stuff: https://stripe.com/us/restricted-businesses

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by kemitchell » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 9:54 PM UTC

Do I correctly understand that Liberapay currently receives 20.50 EUR per week from 64 patrons? https://liberapay.com/LiberapayOrg/

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by mattbk1 » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:08 PM UTC

kemitchell wrote: post #82

Do I correctly understand that Liberapay currently receives 20.50 EUR per week from 64 patrons? https://liberapay.com/LiberapayOrg/

The organization behind the website does. The website development team is at https://liberapay.com/Liberapay/.

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by haburka » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:08 PM UTC

quadrangle wrote: post #80

pseudoanonymity wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because paywalls shouldn't exist Why not?

Because in principle, all the same amount of resources could fund the same work and yet a far greater audience could get that much greater value without paywalls. Paywalls are a compromise that dramatically reduces the overall benefit a work has in order to get over the freerider problem that public goods face. Basically: the PAY part isn't the problem, the WALL part is.

When you say “in principle,” what you mean is “ignoring all of the reasons people spend money.”

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by rebelidealist » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 1:47 AM UTC

venturin wrote: post #60

Recurring payment, so many platforms now... https://maecen.com/ https://www.tipeee.com/ https://patreon.com/ https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ https://flattr.com/ https://d.rip/ What other platform to host a profile and raise money monthly do you know ?

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Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by quadrangle » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 5:37 AM UTC

haburka wrote: post #84

quadrangle wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because in principle, all the same amount of resources could fund the same work and yet a far greater audience could get that much greater value without paywalls. Paywalls are a compromise that dramatically reduces the overall benefit a work has in order to get over the freerider problem that public goods face. Basically: the PAY part isn't the problem, the WALL part is.

When you say “in principle,” what you mean is “ignoring all of the reasons people spend money.”

I mean that it's not an absolutely set necessary conclusion that stuff can't get funded equally well without paywalls. It might require different cultural norms, different ways to organize people or many other solutions, but IN PRINCIPLE the resources are available and could be available without paywalls.

And other than securing funding, there's nothing else positive about paywalls (although I'll admit there's potential arguments around ideas like people appreciating things more when they have to pay for them — things that still don't anywhere near outweigh all the negatives that paywalls have)

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by dandare » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 1:08 PM UTC

venturin wrote: post #60

Recurring payment, so many platforms now... https://maecen.com/ https://www.tipeee.com/ https://patreon.com/ https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ https://flattr.com/ https://d.rip/ What other platform to host a profile and raise money monthly do you know ?

As a content creator, what I need is the ability to create multiple projects under one account. I want people to donate to separately to each individual piece of content I create.

Ideally, a payment platform should offer an API for creating projects programmatically and retrieving information on the funding.

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Post by timtas » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

ancorevard wrote: post #49

gilrain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully they will police hate speech and other forms of speech which are rightly illegal due to their inherent intention to infringe on other people’s rights, yes. You can use a hateful platform like Hatreon if you wish to spread those views. Because your freedom of speech isn’t being trampled on, it’s just that civilized people don’t want you junking up their property.

What is hate speech? We all (hopefully) agrees that hate speech is immoral and bad. But once you attempt to define it, and even more importantly, once you get specific and try to police it you will learn how slippery that slope is.

There is no fixed definition of hate speech. It's based on du jure norms, which are in a constant state of flux. No person can define or even accurately predict what will constitute hate speech in the future.

Therefore, once you accept the principle that certain speech can be made criminal, you are agreeing to accept as permanent whatever future shifts may occur. It is inconceivable that this will not be abused in the future by nefarious political actors.