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It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.
Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…
The gas savings is definitely shady. But including the federal tax credits and destination fee is fair I think. As far as I'm aware, no auto maker includes the destination/docs/handling fee in the MSRP. The Tesla fee amount is comparable to other automakers also (it's on the high side at $1,200; but it's not too different from Toyota's $930 and Honda's $920). Presuming your location due to geolocation is a bit too fa…
It currently costs about $2.50 to manufacture a battery cell. There are 7,700 cells in a standard battery pack. That’s $19,250 in cells before battery pack assembly. I don’t know how they are making money on this. I’m inclined to believe they’re losing money, or someone is somewhere in the line. Maybe they expect those battery costs to decline rapidly in the near future? What do you think?
Maybe its cheaper to make the batteries in China?
Here in Germany I just see a black page with the logo and the text: "The wait is almost over - Great things are launching shortly"
https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?redirect=no works for me to prevent this behaviour.
It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.
The base price of a given vehicle is $35k, and then I'd spend either $1500/yr on fuel and maintenance o, or $500/yr on fuel and maintenance if it's - for example - electric, on top the of the base price.
Spending $1000 less per year does not magically mean the car is now $34k. If anything, the price has gone from $36.5k to $35.5k for that first year.
I don't even understand the mental gymnastics you have to do, or how ignorant you have to be to not understand that.
Unless I'm taking crazy pills? Someone please correct my logic otherwise.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Toyota probably makes you click through to find 0-60 time.
And range, for that matter. The # of miles you get off a tank of gas is not a highly-surfaced metric for vehicles. It's certainly not in the trim level name. You always have to dig into the detailed stats to find it.
Tesla's specifically dividing their trims by range, but chose to use "standard range", "standard range plus", "long range", etc. instead of just telling us the range. And their "standard" range is well below the standard range of an average car.
It currently costs about $2.50 to manufacture a battery cell. There are 7,700 cells in a standard battery pack. That’s $19,250 in cells before battery pack assembly. I don’t know how they are making money on this. I’m inclined to believe they’re losing money, or someone is somewhere in the line. Maybe they expect those battery costs to decline rapidly in the near future? What do you think?
https://electrek.co/2018/11/20/tesla-gigafactory-battery-cel...
It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.
Model 3:
(50 kwh battery)
* (0.166 $/kwh for Los Angeles residential power)
/ (220 mi range)
= 3.8 $/100 mi of fuel
Average ICE sedan:
(3.00 $/gal average regular gas in LA)
/(30 mi/gal)
= 10 $/100 mi of fuel
So it's a reasonable number if you're a Californian who would have bought a BMW instead of a Model 3. For everyone else, it's likely too high.