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YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Posibyte »

This seems like a ham-fisted solution does it not? Channels like ChadTronic play on the nostalgia of being a kid back in the '80s and '90s, yet AFAIK has been unable to enable comments on any of his videos. The weird, funny comments are a big part of the experience in those kinds of videos. Some tropes of the show itself have been built around the comment section.

Would it make more sense to instead target the patterns used by predatory commentators rather than shutting down the system completely? This is Google, the company of bringing meaning out of arbitrary data, is it not possible to build social graphs of what people like, scour, and activate these time codes? Couldn't you restrict the features that enforce those patterns?

Lastly, does forcing these comments off negatively impact the rankings of these creators? Comments have traditionally played into the engagement of any said video and had an (understood) impact on how a video ranks on release. Are these channels now just permanently stunted in their future growth?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by hackinthebochs »

claudiawerner wrote: post #243
hackinthebochs wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, every authority since the beginning of civilization has carried this mantle in justification for censorship of all sorts. Having Google decide what information can and can't be shared on their platform (read: utility) is a dangerous state of affairs. What new social movement, or recognition of a current injustice will be stifled due a status-quo bias that is codified by such top down control over the media…

The fact that a reason is used (and has been used) to justify censorship unjustly does not mean that the reason itself is invalid, or that there is no such thing as good censorship; most people agree that some censorship (of threats or child pornography etc.) can be a great positive force. There is no reason behind the idea that because we can't totally differentiate between good and bad where the line is blurry then…

The debate isn't whether we can do any sort of "good" censoring, but whether we should do any censoring at all. (Just to be clear, I'm narrowing the scope under discussion to ideas. Of course things like child pornography should be censored due to the direct harm.) I reject the idea that society should welcome some authority having control over ideas such that ones deemed "bad" enough by a large enough majority should be actively suppressed. The "good" we presume can be done by shielding people from bad ideas does not outweigh the fundamental right of expression and communication.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by busterarm »

commandlinefan wrote: post #205
jobu wrote: post #110

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On any popular video or channel the comments have always been a cesspool of hate and evil. I am glad that YouTube is finally trying to do _something_ about it, but it also seems really shitty that it took pedophiles to instigate an advertiser boycott and get them to act.

Gab just released a tool that permits anybody (with a browser plugin) to comment on any web page, so this will probably not only hurt legitimate users, it will not do what it's intended to either. Just like every other moral panic in history.

This is basically the same as Genius' old mission to annotate the web.

Except it's Gab.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Mirioron »

m23khan wrote: post #248
drak0n1c wrote: post #165

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People said the same about the chat rooms we used when we were kids. You could argue that those had much more potential than Youtube comments to lead to actual physical harm. In some cases, bad things really happened. Chris Hansen made a show about it, and police used chat rooms to find pedophiles. But were internet chat rooms ever an "emergency"? Where do we draw the line with bans? There are family-friendly content…

its not only stereotypical or extreme behavior in kids video which I am talking about, its also about banning videos (and people who make them) which really are harming kids today. Imagine if your kid really enjoys watching crap youtube shows like “Emma Pretend Play”, “Nastya and Baby”, and “Ryan toys review”, what exactly are they telling the kids? That money is meaningless and buy buy buy?

But this is a completely separate point from the topic itself. The content curation of your kids is up to you as the parent. Don't let them watch videos like that if you don't want them to watch them.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Mirioron »

zanny wrote: post #229
m23khan wrote: post #151

As a Father of very young kids, I think this is nothing short of emergency. Not only commenting on kids videos should be banned, also youtube should heavily vet and tag all their kids related videos -- these days kids are hooked on watching cartoons and poems on youtube and a lot of times, there are really garbage videos targeting kids just showing little girls buying and playing with make ups, cleaning houses and le…

Its not even just about individual actor child predators. Its a parents responsibility to protect their child from harm - that used to just mean making sure they don't get hit by a car or burn their hand on the stove, but nowadays it means shielding them from hostile actors looking to exploit them psychologically and modern society is completely inundated in such actors. Disney, Netflix, Google, etc are all in the bu…

They aren't going to be any more damaged than the previous generations. Why? Because none of this is new. This kind of manipulation happened and happens all the time in all spheres of life. How do you think religion spread?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by zapzupnz »

whatshisface wrote: post #252
npunt wrote: post #240

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I get where you're coming from with the academic curiosity of seeing how people think. That said, it seems you're assuming comments are simply a one-way output of different people's thought patterns, rather than a two-way process that has an effect on others. It's obvious it has a two-way effect - the point of reading and listening is to learn, and we can learn in ways that make us worse off. The idea that we should…

As a staunch supporter of free speech, being exposed to your internal thought process had some negative repercussions for me. None of my fellow pro-free-speech HN users were able to filter you, nor even were they able to socially pressure you, and as result I read an extremist opinion. I think it's important that communities control anti-free-speech comments, otherwise they will descend into extremism.

I've downvoted this because it's clearly taking the piss, recontedtualising a comment for gainsaying. No part of the content reinforces nor advances the main thrust of your argument that I can see.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by whatshisface »

npunt wrote: post #259
whatshisface wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a staunch supporter of free speech, being exposed to your internal thought process had some negative repercussions for me. None of my fellow pro-free-speech HN users were able to filter you, nor even were they able to socially pressure you, and as result I read an extremist opinion. I think it's important that communities control anti-free-speech comments, otherwise they will descend into extremism.

You haven't refuted my argument that super low-friction reach is valuable enough to preserve. I have pretty decent karma in HN and there are much better filtering mechanisms in this community to remove bad actors and posts than there are on youtube. That's the context of my post that, while hidden, is nonetheless present in this community. There is no community for many youtube comments - its driveby comments that ge…

What's so bad about being exposed to the public id that you'd be willing to even loose a sliver of free speech to prevent it? You're already being exposed to the public id every moment, awake or asleep, because part of it is you.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by momack2 »

zanny wrote: post #186
l33tbro wrote: post #103

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If Youtubes ad revenue were negligible to the value proposition of the platform they would not be profitable and they would not give away the service for free. > I just don't see how you get 24/7, 4k streaming without it being monetised by a centralized corp For popular video, the cost center is bandwidth, not storage. In that case, webtorrent and ipfs are both capable answers - as long as you can overcome the initia…

Check out DTube (https://d.tube/) - it's effectively a decentralized YouTube built on IPFS. It's built on Steem to incentivize video uploading/engagement (https://about.d.tube/)

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by Mirioron »

icebraining wrote: post #163
rvanmil wrote: post #109

> "better protect children and families" They're not protecting anyone, they're just sweeping the problem under the carpet. The real problem is naive/ignorant/reckless parents allowing kids to upload their stuff for the world to watch.

I'm pretty sure many don't even know; after a certain age, kids can be pretty sneaky if they want. We only had a single home computer, on the living room, yet I still accessed plenty of shit my parents have no idea. And nowadays, there's always those school friends with smartphones...

And do you consider that you turned out in some particularly bad way?
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