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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Social media scandals like this one are a reminder that there are larger numbers of closet pedophiles, racists, Nazi sympathizers, and conspiracy theorists in our societies than many people realized. Social media gives them a means to discover each other and collaborate, but they were always there. I agree with Youtube’s move here, but the root cause of the problem is that our societies are worse than we thought they…

It's not quite as bad as it looks, people say and do things online they would never do in real life. Might want to consider requiring permanent irrevocable identities, linked with their real-world identity, for certain forums. By removing anonymity a lot of this type of behavior is suppressed.

> By removing anonymity a lot of this type of behavior is suppressed.

Are you sure about that? This sort of thing is difficult to present hard data on, but I feel like arguing for real name policies as a way towards better user behavior is a 2012-era FB talking point that hasn't panned out in practice.

I'll admit that literal pedophilia might be a special case, but requiring (and aggressively enforcing) real names on FB and FB-only embedded comment sections hasn't been anything close to a silver bullet. People are surprisingly willing to say some horrifying things under their real identities, especially if those things are considered socially acceptable in their real-life environment.

Rather than pseudoanonymity vs verified identities, I think the big differentiator is quality of manual moderation. HN is pseudoanonymous. Wikipedia is pseudoanonymous. Neither is immune from trolls and creeps, but aggressive and consistent moderation is fairly successful in maintaining quality.

Of course, YT has scaled to the point where that's not an option. Being forced into this sort of cop-out is a sign that they've grown too big to be able to police user-submitted content in any meaningful way. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I see abuse and moderateability as, ironically, one of the factors that might push us away from centralized monoliths.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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I can't think of having ever seen a comment on YouTube that made the commenting feature seem worthwhile.

This very much depends on what part of YouTube you tend to be in. Much like any online massively-used portal, different segments of videos will attract vastly different users and types of comments. There is somewhat of an over-generalization of YouTube comments, where the description of toxic comments seems more accurately applied to truly /viral/ videos: those that have broken beyond normal segment boundaries, and w…

I'm surprised they don't just disable comments for viral videos, too.

Now that I think about it, imagine the equivalent of that for other services. For example, imagine if all of Reddit's "default" subreddits (the ones that make up the front page when you're not logged in) had no comments attached to posts. To get comments, you'd have to opt into a community. (Which might very well just be a post-for-post mirror of a "default" community, but with comments enabled.)

Seems like it'd be kind of... nice?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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I wonder how long before they totally disable all comments. I mean I mostly watch all my YouTube on my smart TV, and as far as I know, I can't read any comments on the TV. Additionally, I can't even read the description of the video, or the tags, or even the number of likes/dislikes. So I guess that is the direction YouTube is headed to.

Same thing if you’re watching on a phone, at least outside the app. I can either watch the video OR read the comments.

Guess which one interests me more.

Between that and watching on my TV comments barely exist for me anyway.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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It’s important to note they’re ceding a fight they never even seriously attempted to engage in where comments and content are concerned. As with all things Google and YT, if it can’t be badly automated, they’d rather kill it than set the precedent of doing anything useful. The short term result will be attention moving on. The long term is building up pressure that will probably result in major regulation. I wouldn’t…

>a fight they never even seriously attempted to engage in // Google+ started with a requirement for real names didn't it, no adopted identities. They stuck with it for quite some time. IIRC it did largely cure YouTube comments. But, it damaged engagement, so ...

Killed a lot of other things too. And plenty of people will post hate speech under their own name. Even in the byline of a national newspaper.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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I don't know how to feel about this. The concept of "commenting on web page" is old, but with so much people connected to internet, do we really need a comment section on all pages ? From my point of view, comments are most of the time irrelevant, especially on Youtube. HN would be the exception. Comments involves a lots of energy to moderate for no value most of the time. I know it's nice to have feedback when you c…

My thoughts were along the same lines. Why exactly are comments allowed on YouTube at all? Literally all humans are aware that YouTube comments are a cesspool.

Engagement, a good comment war will bring people back to that page.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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> Ban comments is an important step IMHO, but how about putting the people making the comments behind bars? That's...out of YouTube’s legal authority. > They will keep watching these videos. Watching the videos itself is neither illegal nor harmful to anyone, even if it may correlates with conduct that is either or both.

Sadly, you are probably right.

> Sadly, you are probably right.

Are you sad that viewing the content in question isn't harmful? Or that it isn't illegal? Or that YouTube—Google, IOW—can’t unilaterally imprison people whose behavior it disapproves of?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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I think the time is ripe for a YouTube competitor to take chunk of its market share. YouTube has an impossible task of making a video hosting platform for everybody. Kids definitely need a particularly safe space to upload and to have supervision of some sort. Even adults don't necessarily want to be subject to the weirdness of the internet. Others really want a completely free, wild and weird platform. It doesn't ma…

My conclusion, after writing and thinking about this a lot lately, is that the three mega platforms are unwise, but unavoidable, due to network effects.

We are going to have to make a concerted effort to somehow fix this. Hyper-niched communities, like Hacker News, work so well because we are united around shared passions and goals.

Mega platforms contain many ideologies which are at odds with each other, constantly battling for their truth.

Never before in history have competing tribes had to share the same space like this. It doesn't work.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…

Algorithmic contextual sentiment analysis is still, very much, an open question. Not even the best data and scientists in the world can get all that close to inferring the context clues that the human brain is capable of.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Legitimate question, does this apply to any video in which a minor appears for even a very brief period? If you're recording an hour-long video podcast, and a child of one of the hosts runs through the room in the background for one second, does that entire video get comments removed?
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