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YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #11

Social media scandals like this one are a reminder that there are larger numbers of closet pedophiles, racists, Nazi sympathizers, and conspiracy theorists in our societies than many people realized. Social media gives them a means to discover each other and collaborate, but they were always there. I agree with Youtube’s move here, but the root cause of the problem is that our societies are worse than we thought they…

How exactly do you propose to fix these problems that you've listed?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

#32
post #12

The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…

The common theme in every discussion about moderation is that Google, Facebook et al have a division of literal wizards who can wave magic wands to enforce arbitrarily nuanced moderation policies at scale.

This just isn't in touch with reality, but public opinion and pressure has no incentive to be rational, so blunt, restrictive policies like this one are the only path left open to these companies.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #18
post #11

Social media scandals like this one are a reminder that there are larger numbers of closet pedophiles, racists, Nazi sympathizers, and conspiracy theorists in our societies than many people realized. Social media gives them a means to discover each other and collaborate, but they were always there. I agree with Youtube’s move here, but the root cause of the problem is that our societies are worse than we thought they…

Did you look into the scandal? It seemed pretty overblown to me.

Paedophiles were making sexualised comments to children in Youtube comments. Advertisers were unhappy. That doesn't seem particularly overblown.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #12

The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…

I can't think of having ever seen a comment on YouTube that made the commenting feature seem worthwhile.

This very much depends on what part of YouTube you tend to be in. Much like any online massively-used portal, different segments of videos will attract vastly different users and types of comments. There is somewhat of an over-generalization of YouTube comments, where the description of toxic comments seems more accurately applied to truly /viral/ videos: those that have broken beyond normal segment boundaries, and where the 'best' comments are perceived to be those that draw the greatest reaction, as opposed to genuine commentary on the video itself.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #16

To ban comments is an important step IMHO, but how about putting the people making the comments behind bars? They will keep watching these videos.

Well, the people leaving the comments aren't actually doing anything illegal. Nor are the people that aggregate these videos with the intent to appeal to pedophiles. That's what makes this such a difficult issue to combat.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #16

To ban comments is an important step IMHO, but how about putting the people making the comments behind bars? They will keep watching these videos.

There's no law making creepy comments like these illegal, at least not in the US. (I can't speak for other countries, and US law is what's relevant here.)

That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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1. YT has problem that generates a lot of bad press and loses money/face.

2. YT develops either easily-gameable or far-too-heavy-handed automated solution to said problem, because they can't afford to actually police their content.

3. Passionate creators (that don't get struck down mistakenly) have to jump through ever more hoops, while ad $ flocks back to YT.

4. Repeat steps 1-3.

Granted, I don't really see a solution, as their's just straight up too much content and it's ever growing as the barrier for entry is just an internet connection.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #20
post #9

Chris Ulmer, who runs the popular YouTube channel Special Books for Special Kids, said that comments were removed from his channel despite no evidence of unacceptable comments, and YouTube told him that if he turned comments back on, he risked his channel being deleted. [EDIT: Turns out, this is not actually the case. See child comments.] https://twitter.com/chrisulmer/status/1099366622329036801 "Last night I realize…

Looks like YT wrote back to that post to say that's not true? "...Channels will not get deleted if you re-enable comments--can you send us the post where you saw that?"

Ah, thanks for pointing that out!

It appears that he saw demonetization and mistook that as deletion.

That said, for some channels, demonetization means effectively shutting down the channel.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

#39

> YouTube told the BBC it would use algorithms to detect which videos contained children. I guess we will have to see how well this works out. I can foresee someone's legitimate video having its comments suddenly removed causing uproar…

Man this is going to kill Michael Reeves' channel.

That child does things that are far too dangerous for not having parental supervision.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no law making creepy comments like these illegal, at least not in the US. (I can't speak for other countries, and US law is what's relevant here.)

That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

For what? They haven't done anything illegal.
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