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Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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post #51

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Unless you call it something cool, like "Tor".

Tor is a security tool that might be used for evil purposes. It's not a gun, Tor is not developed so that pedophiles can share child porn.

And guns aren't developed for murders. But that isn't the point I was trying to glibly make.

People contribute to lots of well-intentioned took that contribute some kind of indirectly to evil things.

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

#72

Recurring payment, so many platforms now... https://maecen.com/ https://www.tipeee.com/ https://patreon.com/ https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ https://flattr.com/ https://d.rip/ What other platform to host a profile and raise money monthly do you know ?

Probably the most complete up-to-date list: https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-research/other-crowdfundi...

It includes all you listed and much more.

It's on the wiki of a still-in-progress platform that actually plans a novel and potentially better model than all the other things, at least in terms of funding public goods without paywalls (many of these sites are paywall-focused, freemium projects with some public, some exclusive publications).

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

#73
post #24

More important than the 0% commission is how open this platform will actually be, or will it also engage in politics and police certain speech as they see fit?

Hopefully they will police hate speech and other forms of speech which are rightly illegal due to their inherent intention to infringe on other people’s rights, yes. You can use a hateful platform like Hatreon if you wish to spread those views. Because your freedom of speech isn’t being trampled on, it’s just that civilized people don’t want you junking up their property.

> This site's services were suspended by VISA in November of 2017. You may request to be notified via email should we become active again.

- the front page of Hatreon

(good riddance to bad rubbish IMHO)

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Well, Liberapay is for donations only, hence it is not a true alternative to Patreon and such. Also, you still have to pay the processing fees which, they say, should be below 5% on average. Nonetheless, it is pretty well-made and needed, especially since they care about internationalization.

> not a true alternative to Patreon Translation: Not a paywall service. Patreon is largely that function for people. The ability to just get donations existed long before. A tool to combine donations with access to exclusive stuff is the main focus of Patreon. Personally, I see paywall-service as unfortunate because paywalls shouldn't exist. We need to find solutions (like patronage not tied to paywalls) to fund crea…

It seems to be working for The Guardian.

I think if something's valuable enough, someone will be willing to cover the cost, irrespective of whether it's also freely available.

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

#75
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tor is a security tool that might be used for evil purposes. It's not a gun, Tor is not developed so that pedophiles can share child porn.

And guns aren't developed for murders. But that isn't the point I was trying to glibly make. People contribute to lots of well-intentioned took that contribute some kind of indirectly to evil things.

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Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Liberapay is for donations only, hence it is not a true alternative to Patreon and such. Also, you still have to pay the processing fees which, they say, should be below 5% on average. Nonetheless, it is pretty well-made and needed, especially since they care about internationalization.

> not a true alternative to Patreon Translation: Not a paywall service. Patreon is largely that function for people. The ability to just get donations existed long before. A tool to combine donations with access to exclusive stuff is the main focus of Patreon. Personally, I see paywall-service as unfortunate because paywalls shouldn't exist. We need to find solutions (like patronage not tied to paywalls) to fund crea…

> because paywalls shouldn't exist

Why not?

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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post #67

Note that Liberapay had to change payment processors, and in the process they changed how the payments work ( https://medium.com/liberapay-blog/liberapay-status-update-a7... ). I get the impression that they're getting into a state now where there's probably an "expectations mismatch" between what people expect to be doing when they set up a recurring donation compared to how Liberapay actually works. As the blog pos…

You diplomatically state this, but they fail to deliver on the most important thing of their service, surely there is a plan to fix this?

It used to work this way, and the way it was done is that you would pre-load your account with money and then they would transfer it (transaction fees made withdrawals each month prohibitively expensive).

Unfortunately they were forced to change payment processors (MangoPay kicked them off their platform without an explanation) and they weren't able to find a new payment processor that gave them the same feature (having a staging bank account).

The blog post that GP linked explains things in far more detail.

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

#78
post #5

This is interesting. The non-profit is a French association under the so called 1901 law[0]. In Germany it would the equivalent of an Eingetragener Verein[1]. This structure is flexible, well defined and relatively safe, that is, they are not going to run away with the money as you have quite some reporting work to do and the reporting must be available to everybody. So, from a legal structure point of view, this is…

Wouldn't it be more like a Genossenschaft/Cooperative? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coop%C3%A9rative

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not a true alternative to Patreon Translation: Not a paywall service. Patreon is largely that function for people. The ability to just get donations existed long before. A tool to combine donations with access to exclusive stuff is the main focus of Patreon. Personally, I see paywall-service as unfortunate because paywalls shouldn't exist. We need to find solutions (like patronage not tied to paywalls) to fund crea…

It seems to be working for The Guardian. I think if something's valuable enough, someone will be willing to cover the cost, irrespective of whether it's also freely available.

The freerider-dilemma is a real thing. Even when it works in some cases (Wikipedia has large enough audience to get by on donations even when the percentage that donates is tiny), those are the exception.

Hence the efforts to build better coordination models (such as https://snowdrift.coop is doing).

Re: Liberapay – A recurrent donations platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not a true alternative to Patreon Translation: Not a paywall service. Patreon is largely that function for people. The ability to just get donations existed long before. A tool to combine donations with access to exclusive stuff is the main focus of Patreon. Personally, I see paywall-service as unfortunate because paywalls shouldn't exist. We need to find solutions (like patronage not tied to paywalls) to fund crea…

> because paywalls shouldn't exist Why not?

Because in principle, all the same amount of resources could fund the same work and yet a far greater audience could get that much greater value without paywalls.

Paywalls are a compromise that dramatically reduces the overall benefit a work has in order to get over the freerider problem that public goods face.

Basically: the PAY part isn't the problem, the WALL part is.

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