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Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#171

It's such an obvious idea, and it has been around for as long as spam e-mail has been a problem. I absolutely do not understand why it has not yet been adopted for all e-mail traffic worldwide. If an e-mail were to cost just one cent, it would never add up to an amount that a normal person would even notice, yet it would solve the problem of spam e-mail over night.

maybe it only costs a cent if the receiver does not accept it

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

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^ I also find it culturally interesting that basically every female descriptor I can think of is more characters than the male counterpart.

That's because most of them are modifiers "wo"-men, "fe"-male, etc. Which really is pretty demeaning if you think about it. Over the years, there have been efforts in feminist and academic circles to introduce alternate spellings that are not derived this way. [0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn

Genuine question and not some MRA trolling, but how is that demeaning? How would the etymology of English pronouns would be demeaning to anyone?

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#173

It's such an obvious idea, and it has been around for as long as spam e-mail has been a problem. I absolutely do not understand why it has not yet been adopted for all e-mail traffic worldwide. If an e-mail were to cost just one cent, it would never add up to an amount that a normal person would even notice, yet it would solve the problem of spam e-mail over night.

This was one of the motivators described in the original Bitcoin white paper

And Hashcash, 12 years before that.

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#174

It's such an obvious idea, and it has been around for as long as spam e-mail has been a problem. I absolutely do not understand why it has not yet been adopted for all e-mail traffic worldwide. If an e-mail were to cost just one cent, it would never add up to an amount that a normal person would even notice, yet it would solve the problem of spam e-mail over night.

It would kill newsletters and mailing lists. Also, considering that SMS spam is a thing (they cost just under a cent to send), it's not a foolproof solution.

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

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The page is still up :-) http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage

The ads also still get traffic, A while back I wrote a script to list all the domains that had expired and bought one at random for shits and giggles. GA reported about 100 uniques per month.

Hilarious! I just scraped all the domains and did nslookups on all of them to see which where expired. Then I registered the one with the largest area (milliondollarconnect.com occupied 1000 pixels) at x1, y1 = 710, 750 (the ad that looks like a glassy oval). Will report back on traffic.

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#176

Such compression tricks were also used save money on costly telegraph messages. The telegraph was arguably the first internet device, tying the world together at lightspeed. But wires were expensive and messages consequently so. A standard ten word message cost a workers average day wage. So people used abbreviation tricks seen in texting and twitter. And companies had code word dictionaries where a single word might…

Those codes are still in use.

73 OM TNX

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#177
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because most of them are modifiers "wo"-men, "fe"-male, etc. Which really is pretty demeaning if you think about it. Over the years, there have been efforts in feminist and academic circles to introduce alternate spellings that are not derived this way. [0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn

Genuine question and not some MRA trolling, but how is that demeaning? How would the etymology of English pronouns would be demeaning to anyone?

The etymology of "woman" is very demeaning. It literally means "wife of man" or "servant".

https://www.etymonline.com/word/woman

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#178
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because most of them are modifiers "wo"-men, "fe"-male, etc. Which really is pretty demeaning if you think about it. Over the years, there have been efforts in feminist and academic circles to introduce alternate spellings that are not derived this way. [0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn

Genuine question and not some MRA trolling, but how is that demeaning? How would the etymology of English pronouns would be demeaning to anyone?

Seems like a thoughtful and helpful response to me, including a wiki link.

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#179
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Interesting language effects at play. There’s a message in there: “你好吗?” Which is priced at 4c The equivalent message in English “how are you?” Is 10c

We can make it more fair by pricing UTF-8 bytes. 你好吗 = 9 bytes how are you = 11 bytes

not really. according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roadmap_to_Unicode_BMP.sv..., any codepoint bigger 0x80 (second half of the first box) is 2 byte per character, and codepoint bigger than 0x800 (anything past the 8th box) is 3 bytes charater. so while it might be fair for CJK languages, it's even less fair for languages that don't mostly use the latin alphabet.

Re: Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter

#180

It's such an obvious idea, and it has been around for as long as spam e-mail has been a problem. I absolutely do not understand why it has not yet been adopted for all e-mail traffic worldwide. If an e-mail were to cost just one cent, it would never add up to an amount that a normal person would even notice, yet it would solve the problem of spam e-mail over night.

There is De-Mail in Germany that is basically E-Mail. Initially, sending a De-Mail would cost a couple cents. It also offered the possibility to be legally binding, like a physical letter.

Despite some technical/security issues with it, nonne really uses it (although you can now send them for free, IIRC).

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