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Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

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Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

#41

Is it just me, or are women more prone to falling for MLM pyramid schemes?

I know a bunch of ladies who did LuLa Roe. It's not that they are more prone to falling for the business side of it, it's that they were attracted to the company for reasons besides the money they could make. All of them were extremely happy LulaRoe customers BEFORE they became sales people. I think if an MLM targeted the people on hacker news with a product that could make a solid side income through Programming mee…

I remember this being part of the pitch of Avon -- you're already buying laundry soap, why not build a business?

Of course, at the bottom of the pyramid, you'd buy overpriced soap to keep up your minimums.

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#42

Is it just me, or are women more prone to falling for MLM pyramid schemes?

I know a bunch of ladies who did LuLa Roe. It's not that they are more prone to falling for the business side of it, it's that they were attracted to the company for reasons besides the money they could make. All of them were extremely happy LulaRoe customers BEFORE they became sales people. I think if an MLM targeted the people on hacker news with a product that could make a solid side income through Programming mee…

My wife unfortunately got involved with LulaRoe. She was a stay-at-home mom for a little while and wanted to help out the family by bringing in some extra income while still keeping the flexibility of being able to stay at home with our child. She loved their clothing and had a few friends who were also starting up selling so she felt some sense of community with them. They also sold her hard on the idea that the market was just starting up and she could get in on the "ground floor" and make a good amount of money if things went well. She'd spent pretty much her entire work life in food service and cafes and she always wanted to run her own business and have that level of independence so that she could "break away" from the service industry.

The reality was she ended up losing a lot of money, working 60-70 hours some week just to keep up with customer requests (most of which was returns and asking if she had a specific print in a specific size), and eventually burnt out with how difficult it was and how much back-and-forth the company was giving her (they had a policy where you could return product, then they totally changed the policy, then they changed it back, then changed it again). They also required that she kept up with inventory purchasing quotas, and if she didn't buy enough inventory within a certain amount of time she was cut off from selling at all and she wouldn't have access to their resources or sales systems.

She's not unintelligent and did realize the risks involved. She was just wanting to help out our family and build something for herself, and that's where I think a lot of these companies come in to feed on that desire for independence and flexibility. It was a difficult lesson for her to learn and really demoralizing.

She now runs her own cafe and is doing quite well at it, so I don't think it was her lack of business acumen that kept her from being successful.

Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

#43
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Google Autocomplete is very instructive here. Lularoe is a .... Lularoe is a cult Lularoe is a pyramid scheme Lularoe is a ripoff. That’s enough information for me.

I know you're mostly joking, but you'll get the same for any conspiracy: Fluoride is ... Fluoride is bad Fluoride is toxic Fluoride is poison

All of these are true! Except maybe the first one, which is a gross oversimplification.

"The dose makes the poison" is not something I expect an average Google user to have modeled accurately.

Edit: after reviewing other examples in this thread, my opinion of an average Google user has fallen drastically. Was mostly having a laugh at the fact fluoride salts are generally a thing I avoid, which seems to be the intuition represented by your example.

Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

#45

"In March 2016 she paid $9,000 to become a LuLaRoe consultant." Uh, your first clue is that you don't usually PAY companies for the privilege of becoming an employee.

It's disguised as "inventory." Slightly more defensible than "buy a set of knives to get a job," but not much.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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How did you manage to use emojis on HN?

I think HN stores text encoded as UTF-8, so all you need to do is input an emoji via your keyboard/copy-paste.

Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you manage to use emojis on HN?

I think HN stores text encoded as UTF-8, so all you need to do is input an emoji via your keyboard/copy-paste.

One just has to wonder whether Unicode dicks would work too

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Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

#48
Defining LuLaRoe as a "legging empire" is simply wrong. They are a weak-minded-person manipulation empire. Their competitors aren't clothing retailers, they're other MLMs, all targeting the same weak-minded people. That's what they sell. The prey on the weak-minded--those who would have their own dreams sold to them--and then wrap it up in fancy English to make the FTC happy.

Re: Thousands of Women Say LuLaRoe’s Legging Empire Is a Scam

#50

Defining LuLaRoe as a "legging empire" is simply wrong. They are a weak-minded-person manipulation empire. Their competitors aren't clothing retailers, they're other MLMs, all targeting the same weak-minded people. That's what they sell. The prey on the weak-minded--those who would have their own dreams sold to them--and then wrap it up in fancy English to make the FTC happy.

"--and then wrap it up in fancy English to make the FTC happy."

The wool is being pulled over 0 peoples (in power) eyes. Everyone (again, everyone with power) knows what is going on, including the FTC.

MLMs target those particularly vulnerable to their pitch. They leverage their information asymmetry (almost everyone will lose money in a MLM to the benefit of those above) and as you say, hide what the reality of what the "business" really is with lifestyle fantasy and rhetoric marketing.

I consider myself maybe a little smart in a few very specific areas - that has not stopped me from being outsmarted or taken advantage of at times I and think this is true for most people at some point. Labeling victims as weak minded is a simple way of dismissing the wrongdoing done by MLM actors with far more resources and power than their victims.

What they do should be illegal, and the simple reason it's not is MLMs donate lots of money to lawmakers.

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