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Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how the citizens of the two countries are reacting to the conflict.

Does anybody in India or Pakistan want to share the situation on the ground?

How loudly are the the war drums banging?

How are the media framing these events?

Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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post #2

I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how the citizens of the two countries are reacting to the conflict. Does anybody in India or Pakistan want to share the situation on the ground? How loudly are the the war drums banging? How are the media framing these events?

Both Indian and Pakistani media are peddling irresponsible lies and half-truths. It's been really hard to separate the truth from the noise.

Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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post #2

I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how the citizens of the two countries are reacting to the conflict. Does anybody in India or Pakistan want to share the situation on the ground? How loudly are the the war drums banging? How are the media framing these events?

The mainstream media (some TV news channels, especially) have been warmongering quite hard in India. I assume it's the same in Pakistan.

Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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Having two nuclear powers shooting each other's planes out of the sky should make the whole world nervous.

In a perverse way, it is probably a good thing that they are both nuclear powers. The stakes are too high for them NOT to call a truce and end this madness before it gets out of hand. It seems like most remain hopeful that both sides will stand down after a couple of rounds of chest beating.

Knowing humanity, it is only a matter of time though, before two nuclear powers begin an all out war with each other. India and Pakistan are definitely on the top of the list of candidates where such a war could start.

Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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post #2

I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how the citizens of the two countries are reacting to the conflict. Does anybody in India or Pakistan want to share the situation on the ground? How loudly are the the war drums banging? How are the media framing these events?

The mainstream media (some TV news channels, especially) have been warmongering quite hard in India. I assume it's the same in Pakistan.

I remember the lead up to invading Iraq, what was incredible is that all the major media companies agreed that it had to be done. Whether it was CNN, Fox, etc, it didn't matter, they were all saying that we had to invade.

There were almost no dissenting opinions, now I'm always very weary when media on the right and the left agree on things, it typically means it's not in the interest of the citizens.

Re: Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian military jets and captured a pilot

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Why would they announce that? What strategy is forwarded by announcing it?

The announcement is done to achieve two things:

1. Posture to their own populace that they're not backing down (thus winning political scores)

2. Show to the rest of the world that they are leadership to reckon with, that they don't back down cowardly.

Imagine two high-school teens with some social status fighting on the playground. They will not back off because of social status reasons.

Only here, the teens have nukes.

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