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We Need Chrome No More

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Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Do we know why Google grew dissatisfied with Apple and forked Webkit?

Yes - it project complexity was becoming unmanageable due to difference in multiprocessing architectures[1] of WebKit and Chromium.

1. https://blog.chromium.org/2013/04/blink-rendering-engine-for...

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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It left a sour taste in my mouth that Microsoft joined Chrome instead of investing in FireFox and helping them advance their multi-process architecture quicker.

Is there any bad blood left over from the days that Mozilla supported the antitrust suit against MS?

You'd think a business would do whatever maximized value and ignore past negative interactions, but businesses are made of people.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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I have one bigger complaint: It blows my mind that web browsers take GBs of ram to run. I mean, c'mon, it's 2019 how can we not address that? It's probably the biggest concern I hear from everyone that uses Chrome and knows how to read their task/app manager

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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I enjoyed this post, but I take issue with the idea that Chrome was initially adopted, or served, "to break the Web free from corporate greed." Chrome's appeal was primarily technical. Each tab got its own process and could crash without taking down the entire browser. No one else had this at the time, and it was a big deal because Flash was still widespread so sites were even less stable than they are today. Luckily…

> has now finally caught up to Chrome on stability and speed Arguably, with its market share dwindling fast, it's not enough to just be technically on par. Further, it is absolutely not up to par on Linux and from what I know, MacOS as well.

It’s got great performance on macOS, and I suggest that people try it again.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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It isn't about developer tools anymore than it is about privacy or the open-web. Sadly, just like with IE6, Chrome is the default pre-installed browser in most used handheld OS. Plus, it is in-your-face-advertised on the front page of world's most popular website, in case you don't happen to have it installed on a Mac or a PC.

There's very little individuals can do to reverse the trend, short of websites and OEMs coming together to start reversing Chrome's stranglehold in an unified campaign (which doesn't seem likely).

The fall of IE6 was due to innovation from Mozilla and Google putting it's weight behind Firefox... What could Safari/Firefox do now? Get all or several of Microsoft/Facebook/Amazon/Apple on-board? Investment from these companies is the only way I see out, frankly, if history is any indicator (OpenStreetMap vs GMaps).

That said, tech needs to keep improving and so Firefox Quantum was a great first step in the right direction, imo.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

#116

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In my experience I can't stream video on firefox without the video freezing within the first 5 minutes, and it feels clunky even with non video webpages. I really hate google the company, and I'd love to stop using their software, but so far I have yet to see a browser that even comes close to chrome.

What OS, hardware and video platform(s)? I haven't had any issues with Desktop Firefox on Windows 10 on any of my Core i7 machines, when watching YouTube/Vimeo. Even my old dual-core budget Inspiron 3137 laptop works for YouTube and Firefox as well as Pandora/Firefox/bluetooth audio blasting. (It does like to consume RAM as if it was running SQL Server though.)

Also having a good time with Firefox on macOS running on an early 2018 MacBook Pro. It has fully replaced my Chrome use at work.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Out of curiosity, what Google Apps work better in Chrome? I use plenty of Google services entirely in Firefox and have never had problems. I only fire up chrome when using Chromecast.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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It left a sour taste in my mouth that Microsoft joined Chrome instead of investing in FireFox and helping them advance their multi-process architecture quicker.

I wish someone from Mozilla or MS would comment on this, to be honest. Were they even considered? Historically, I've heard from various sources that Mozilla may not work at the same pace as some of the large corporations do in upstreaming patches and releases to the code base. This has (according to what I have heard, which may simply rest on rumor/speculation/heresey, mind you) kept a lot of large entities from gett…

microsoft switched to chromium because they want better control/integration with electron apps and the windows store. firefox wasn't on the table for them.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Developing against Chrome is exactly "support every browser's quirks" instead of developing against the actual standards (usually Firefox has the truest implementation of which).

But as a web developer I don't necessarily care about standards. I want the page to work for as many users as possible. For the longest time this meant to support IE's way of doing things, now it means to support Chrome (unless you target Enterprise users). Even if you develop for Chrome, Firefox and Edge you'll just end up building workarounds for all 3, not adhering strictly to the standard.

This is like an unpleasant blast from the past. It was wrong when web developers did this for IE, it's wrong now.
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