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We Need Chrome No More

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Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by chmln »

mapgrep wrote: post #7

I enjoyed this post, but I take issue with the idea that Chrome was initially adopted, or served, "to break the Web free from corporate greed." Chrome's appeal was primarily technical. Each tab got its own process and could crash without taking down the entire browser. No one else had this at the time, and it was a big deal because Flash was still widespread so sites were even less stable than they are today. Luckily…

> has now finally caught up to Chrome on stability and speed

Arguably, with its market share dwindling fast, it's not enough to just be technically on par.

Further, it is absolutely not up to par on Linux and from what I know, MacOS as well.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by kabwj »

jklinger410 wrote: post #55

Let me know when Firefox stops being an insane resource hog and I will switch.

Now you’ll receive dozens of responses of people saying that Firefox is much faster and leaner than Chrome for them. But that’s not the case for me or anybody I know. Chrome continues being faster for me.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by _jal »

umvi wrote: post #4

> developers are increasingly shunning other browsers in their testing and bug-fixing routines. If it works as intended on Chrome, it’s ready to ship. That's me. Sorry, but I just can't be bothered to support every browser's quirks. I check Firefox every once in a while, but really, I don't mind losing a few users if it means significantly less maintenance and testing for me. It's like complaining that developers are…

> It's like complaining that developers are increasingly shunning other OSes

Except that web apps are easy to make OS-agnostic and always have been[1]. If your webapp isn't, that is because you chose to make it that way, not for a technical reason.

Pretending that's OK because these other things have to be that way isn't going to convince anyone, but you can get away with that for enterprise-development or captive audiences. Just don't try to gaslight people. For me, I'm just going to close your site when it breaks and not come back. Seems that tradeoff works for you too, so that's good, at least.

[1] Sure, that thing that never caught on, and IE6. Thanks.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by fredsted »

dak1 wrote: post #34

Other browsers need to catch up to Chrome with their development tools. I'd be happy to use Safari or Firefox for development, but... - I can't disable CORS in Firefox (yes, sometimes you have to disable CORS rather than modify the Allow-Origin header response, for example if you need to test against a production backend) (and, no, CORS Everywhere is not a sufficient solution). - I can't inspect WebSocket frames in a…

>- I can't inspect WebSocket frames in anything except Chrome.

For what it's worth, WebSockets show up as type 'Other' in the inspector, and the frames are listed under 'Preview'.

Edit: Safari.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by fixermark »

> If it works as intended on Chrome, it’s ready to ship

A great step Firefox could take in this space is improving the transparency and performance auditing of its own engine. Debugging rendering performance issues between browsers is still an absolute nightmare. If Firefox can provide a better developer experience than Chrome, it might increase the likelihood that web developers would use FF as their first-choice development platform for simplicity and utility of tools. If it doesn't, it may still decrease the odds that when faced with a nasty performance bug, developers will throw up their hands and say "Chrome does it right; I guess FF still just sucks for performance in this corner case."

FF has been making impressive strides in this space, but their toolchain still feels clunky and slow relative to Chrome Developer Tools.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by kowdermeister »

I don't particularly like the manifesto style of this post. The author attempts a hard sell by first admitting that the world needed Chrome and then after it succeeded he suggests throwing it to the depths after the wish came true.

> Chrome is effectively everywhere you look. And that’s bad news.

Why? It's the dream you wanted 10 years ago, but it comes with Google now. Ooops for you if you dislike Google, but the vast majority of people doesn't care. Use Safari, Firefox or anything, but calling out ditching Chrome is for the greater good is ridiculous.

H mentions 60% as a dominant position which is not how I would describe it in my dictionary.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by carlosdp »

> An ecosystem that doesn’t seem concerned with performance, user experience, privacy, or pushing computing forward.

What? Chrome was more performant that any browser at the time it was released and it's still pretty good. It also became the gold standard for browser UX so much so that all other browsers copied a lot of it. Chrome also brought with it multi-process tabs and the V8 Javascript engine, how is that not "pushing computing forward"?

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by saagarjha »

misterman0 wrote: post #62

More like we need Google no more. You always find the smartest bunch in these threads. Proof: not a single downvoted comment so far. But with all your smarts why aren't you building search engines? Is it because you think that with superior tech we can't beat Google? I think it will come down to precisely that. Don't you see how easy it would be for someone who specializes in search to beat an opponent who specialize…

> with all your smarts why aren't you building search engines

It's a hard problem, especially if you factor in keeping your servers running.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by bobajeff »

bantunes wrote: post #11
umvi wrote: post #4

> developers are increasingly shunning other browsers in their testing and bug-fixing routines. If it works as intended on Chrome, it’s ready to ship. That's me. Sorry, but I just can't be bothered to support every browser's quirks. I check Firefox every once in a while, but really, I don't mind losing a few users if it means significantly less maintenance and testing for me. It's like complaining that developers are…

And this is why Chrome will win, become complacent, and a new browser will dethrone it like it did IE. Meanwhile, Firefox will continue to hover around the 10% mark or so.

Don't see Google pausing Chrome's development for 4 years like Internet Explorer.
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