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Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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If good developers want to level up their skills, how do you keep the senior developer who you've turned into a tutor happy?

Pay them a lot.

A certain pay level is necessary, but not sufficient, to keep talented staff.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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As a developer who has recently been through the hiring process, I think the problem is not a shortage of talent, but rather that companies are awful at hiring. Here are a few of the main issues: 1. Don't limit your potential talent pool to the miserable and the unemployed. In theory, any developer who is currently employed might be interested in leaving their job to work for you. Perhaps you will offer them more mon…

> There are tons of developers who are good at coding solutions to real world problems in real world situations but simply don't perform well in this type of situation. What do you propose instead to see whether one can do real world problems in real world situations?

I think he's saying that normally a person isn't coding while someone is watching you. I have no problem implementing a data structure on my own but if you ask me to do it in 15 minutes while you're watching every typo I'll probably freeze up.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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post #30

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If good developers want to level up their skills, how do you keep the senior developer who you've turned into a tutor happy?

Mentorship and teaching are also valuable skills. Many good senior engineers would love to focus on them if their employer recognized it as valuable.

Yea, um, nothing wrong with mentoring and teaching but when management wants me to turn things out on a dime at the same time. Not happening. That junior is getting MINIMAL possible attention for me to work on what ultimately keeps my job not theirs.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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It's funny because people keep saying this yet I've noticed something... The interview process for developers is about 10X harder than it used to be a decade ago. It used to be that you'd chat with a couple of people about tech, projects you'd worked on... then get a job offer. Now there are multiple rounds spread out over weeks with a massive number of team members, live coding challenges galore, non-tech screening…

> A bad hire causes tons more damage than not hiring a good person.

I think it is true, but only if you don't identify it quickly and/or don't reassign or fire them as necessary. I'm a firm believer of a holistic and lightweight interview process followed by a trial period. The only way to really understand if someone will work well in the position is to let them give it a try.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

#35
Hey y'all,

there's a huge tech talent shortage in Prague, which has approximately 1000x higher quality of life than the bay area. You can make a high salary here and live extremely well. Bonus: no human feces on your front doorstep!

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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> This problem is no longer exclusive to the Bay Area. When people question why so many companies start or stay in the Bay Area, "density of talent" inevitably comes up as one of the reasons. I can't reconcile that assertion with this one here.

I agree, Silicon Valley is the mecca of engineering talent. However, the demand for that talent greatly outranks the supply. With that being said, how can a seed or even a Series A startup stand out and be able to attract engineers when Facebook & Google are next door? Even better, how can a startup retain its engineer that's probably getting x10 inboxes a day from other companies with better packages? I'm not challe…

We're in a similar boat. Attracting good engineers as a seed stage company is challenging. What has worked for you?

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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There is no such thing as a labour shortage. There is only an unwillingness to pay. If you can't afford to attract talent at market rates then your business model as it is exists isn't viable. A big aspect to this is that the equity lottery of startups is largely gone because companies going public is increasingly rare, companies stay private longer (which presents real problems for the liquidity of employee options)…

> If you can't afford to attract talent at market rates then your business model as it is exists isn't viable.

That sounds kind of extreme, but I think you are on to something. Facebook can generate more incremental revenue per unit developer than company X. It's not that company X is just being cheap offering less and the solution isn't as simple as "raise salaries".

This two-tier system of compensation isn't just a matter of non-FAANG companies being too stingy. Its a matter of economics and business models.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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I got it! We will hire anyone who sounds good, and fire them within a month if it turns out they're not up to our standards. Then, we will ensure we never get anyone who isn't already employed and anyone just looking for a paycheck or three. If you heard that even 20% of people were fired within the first month, how likely would you be to take that job? Note: It's usually called contract to hire. And it just takes th…

So what? If you are used to freelancing, it's the same thing. I would prefer that 80% of people are fired in the first month.

Sure, but, most employees would not prefer that...its a Market for labor. You are buying, Labor is selling. If what you are buying is an employment contract with a penalty-free terminate-for-convenience clause, expect that you are buying that piece of insurance from the employee at a high cost.

Re: Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a Bay Area problem only

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There is no such thing as a labour shortage. There is only an unwillingness to pay. If you can't afford to attract talent at market rates then your business model as it is exists isn't viable. A big aspect to this is that the equity lottery of startups is largely gone because companies going public is increasingly rare, companies stay private longer (which presents real problems for the liquidity of employee options)…

Yes there is such a thing as a labor shortage. When unemployment is below 3% (as in the czech republic) there literally aren't any workers available. No I'm not going to pay someone $30/hour to paint my house, and i'm not going to pay $250/hour to some fresh graduate to hack some node.js.
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