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A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by nradov »

imgabe wrote: post #11
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

Anyone? Keeping a vibrant nightlife is great but there are many city residents who don't care about that and wouldn't even notice if it disappeared.

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Post by volkl48 »

jen729w wrote: post #18
jwagenet wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't a nightclub be included as part of "first floor" commercial/retail space that can be found in many cities? You have the best of both worlds, a mid/high rise with housing and close proximity to retail and entertainment spaces. Sure, clubs have noise and people issues, but these can be designed around for noise abatement and traffic control or put them underground. Bars have these issues too. Just because lan…

Any nightclub in a new residential build is going to be a terrible place full of shiny teenagers. The sorts of venues mentioned in this article remind me of the old warehouse parties I used to go to here in Melbourne ~10 years ago, when I was well in to my 30s. They just wouldn’t have worked in a new place.

Sure, but eventually places age and develop their own character and audience.

In the same vein and more my crowd, you can't just open a (good) dive bar, it takes years to develop the community atmosphere they wind up becoming.

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Post by narrator »

Tech workers move into a city and drive up rents. They complain about lack of density driving rents up. Meanwhile, New York and Chicago are not really tech hubs, even though they have dense downtowns. Hong Kong should be the center of the tech universe with all that density, but alas it is not. Maybe the thing that makes tech workers want to live and work somewhere is lack of density?

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by billforsternz »

imgabe wrote: post #11
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

I suppose this is true. But as a grumpy old bugger I much prefer a city without nightclubs. They're so bloody noisy they infect everything around them. And the appeal of damaging your hearing in an environment where it's literally impossible to communicate is a complete mystery to me. When I think about it I felt pretty much the same way even when I was young.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by [deleted] »

billforsternz wrote: post #24
imgabe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

I suppose this is true. But as a grumpy old bugger I much prefer a city without nightclubs. They're so bloody noisy they infect everything around them. And the appeal of damaging your hearing in an environment where it's literally impossible to communicate is a complete mystery to me. When I think about it I felt pretty much the same way even when I was young.

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Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by dgellow »

imgabe wrote: post #11
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

Nightclubs also mean drunk people, which correlates with broken glass being spread around and aggressive behaviors. I’m quite happy to live in a neighborhood in Berlin that doesn’t have the active nightlife the city is famous for!

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by dgellow »

jhbadger wrote: post #19
imgabe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.

At what point was city life not popular?

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by hydrox24 »

I understand the opening sentence is a rhetorical flourish... but it is also astoundingly wrong.

> This year, on Imbolc – a Gaelic tradition that sees Ireland celebrate the patron saint Brigid, a Celtic goddess...

Imbolc is a celebration of the Goddess Brigid, which very few Irish celebrate. The feast day for Saint Brigid is on the same day, and is celebrated more widely. While she was possibly a Christianised version of the goddess, she is probably a real person who was later given the characteristics of the Goddess by her hagiographers and by confused lay people. Apparently the tradition continues.

> ...who allegedly had 7th-century lesbian romances and carried out the first abortion on the island...

I don't think that the 'allegedly' is a strong enough qualifier here. It's a relatively modern interpretation of a piece of hagiography (rather than a text considered to be more historical). Historically, neither has been asserted by the Catholic church or by scholars generally.

And finally... The goddess clearly existed much earlier than the 7th century, so assuming they're talking about the saint... she lived from the middle of the fifth century to the first part of the sixth. The book about her was written in the 7th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigid_of_Kildare

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by hnhg »

dgellow wrote: post #27
jhbadger wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.

At what point was city life not popular?

In the UK, anytime before the late 90s. I can't find the statistic, but I remember reading that in the 80s, less than 1000 people lived in the city centre. Contrast that with the numbers now: https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/the-return-of-city-cent...

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by Symbiote »

jwagenet wrote: post #5
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

Why can't a nightclub be included as part of "first floor" commercial/retail space that can be found in many cities? You have the best of both worlds, a mid/high rise with housing and close proximity to retail and entertainment spaces. Sure, clubs have noise and people issues, but these can be designed around for noise abatement and traffic control or put them underground. Bars have these issues too. Just because lan…

This can exist, for example the Islington Academy in North London.

The exit is into the shopping centre, so noise and chatter from people leaving isn't a big problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Academy_Islington

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