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A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by imgabe »

CydeWeys wrote: post #3
Macha wrote: post #2

Dublin has been having a bit of a boom (of which tech is a major driver) in the last decade, but this just feels like another symptom of the city which is not allowed to build denser or to sprawl with the result being anything less profitable in terms of land value is getting pushed out of the city (including many families who have lived their behind) while rents reach some of the highest levels in Europe

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by lapnitnelav »

jakecopp wrote: post #7
jwagenet wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't a nightclub be included as part of "first floor" commercial/retail space that can be found in many cities? You have the best of both worlds, a mid/high rise with housing and close proximity to retail and entertainment spaces. Sure, clubs have noise and people issues, but these can be designed around for noise abatement and traffic control or put them underground. Bars have these issues too. Just because lan…

Nightclubs are pretty loud though, and that bass travels a long way and is hard to isolate. Maybe if the club was in the basement it might work, but I'd love to get some insight from someone who deals with acoustics!

My ex-flatmate left our flat to live above one. He didn't stay long in that new place. So yeah, good luck with blocking out low frequencies.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by imgabe »

jakecopp wrote: post #7
jwagenet wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't a nightclub be included as part of "first floor" commercial/retail space that can be found in many cities? You have the best of both worlds, a mid/high rise with housing and close proximity to retail and entertainment spaces. Sure, clubs have noise and people issues, but these can be designed around for noise abatement and traffic control or put them underground. Bars have these issues too. Just because lan…

Nightclubs are pretty loud though, and that bass travels a long way and is hard to isolate. Maybe if the club was in the basement it might work, but I'd love to get some insight from someone who deals with acoustics!

If it were a high rise, I don't think it would be a problem. You could do a nightclub on the ground floor, 10 floors of office (which would would be empty when the nightclub is open) and 10 floors of apartments above that.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by fbonetti »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #6
Macha wrote: post #2

Dublin has been having a bit of a boom (of which tech is a major driver) in the last decade, but this just feels like another symptom of the city which is not allowed to build denser or to sprawl with the result being anything less profitable in terms of land value is getting pushed out of the city (including many families who have lived their behind) while rents reach some of the highest levels in Europe

Why isn't the city allowed to be denser?

Same as any other city: zoning. People want to live in cities and local governments won't allow developers to build more housing to accommodate them. The rare scraps of land that are zoned properly for high density are developed into luxury housing.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by jakecopp »

imgabe wrote: post #13
jakecopp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nightclubs are pretty loud though, and that bass travels a long way and is hard to isolate. Maybe if the club was in the basement it might work, but I'd love to get some insight from someone who deals with acoustics!

If it were a high rise, I don't think it would be a problem. You could do a nightclub on the ground floor, 10 floors of office (which would would be empty when the nightclub is open) and 10 floors of apartments above that.

True, that does seem like it would work.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by fredophile »

imgabe wrote: post #13
jakecopp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nightclubs are pretty loud though, and that bass travels a long way and is hard to isolate. Maybe if the club was in the basement it might work, but I'd love to get some insight from someone who deals with acoustics!

If it were a high rise, I don't think it would be a problem. You could do a nightclub on the ground floor, 10 floors of office (which would would be empty when the nightclub is open) and 10 floors of apartments above that.

Have you ever lived near a night club? I used to live in an apartment with a nightclub down the street on the next block. I couldn't hear noise from the club itself but I could always tell when it closed by the loud people on the street. I was 20 floors up.

People can decide they're willing to live with the noise for the convenient location but there will always be some amount of noticeable noise if you live on the same block as a night club.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by jen729w »

jwagenet wrote: post #5
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

Why can't a nightclub be included as part of "first floor" commercial/retail space that can be found in many cities? You have the best of both worlds, a mid/high rise with housing and close proximity to retail and entertainment spaces. Sure, clubs have noise and people issues, but these can be designed around for noise abatement and traffic control or put them underground. Bars have these issues too. Just because lan…

Any nightclub in a new residential build is going to be a terrible place full of shiny teenagers.

The sorts of venues mentioned in this article remind me of the old warehouse parties I used to go to here in Melbourne ~10 years ago, when I was well in to my 30s. They just wouldn’t have worked in a new place.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by jhbadger »

imgabe wrote: post #11
CydeWeys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. And when space is at such a premium, and it's possible to build up as much as demand warrants, why exactly should nightclubs be prioritized over, say, people's housing? Perhaps the fact that they're diminishing in number reflects the simple fact that housing is a better (and more economic) use of limited space? It sounds like they're not allowing enough construction to meet demand, and then being shocked w…

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by Animats »

Macha wrote: post #2

Dublin has been having a bit of a boom (of which tech is a major driver) in the last decade, but this just feels like another symptom of the city which is not allowed to build denser or to sprawl with the result being anything less profitable in terms of land value is getting pushed out of the city (including many families who have lived their behind) while rents reach some of the highest levels in Europe

The kind of low-end large space nightlife the author wants requires an abandoned warehouse district. SF SOMA used to be like that. Either a more productive use for the land is found, as in SF, or everybody young leaves, as in Detroit or the Cleveland Flats.

Dublin isn't cramped by geography. Five miles west of downtown is farmland.

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