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Portmanteau Generator

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Re: Portmanteau Generator

#62
This is a really cool implementation, and I'm impressed with the examples given.

So, I did what every obnoxious person would do and put in "stupid" and "politician", but I didn't get any real good results, mostly because it didn't use any of the synonyms for "politician" that I would expect... like president, senator, congressman, governor, prime minister (would it even deal with compound words?) or even the most obvious: politician!

Instead it used these words: moralist, orator, critic, rabbi, teacher, entrepreneur, philanthropist, leader (OK, that one is good), economist, attorney, prelate, administrator, constituent, assemblyman, and assemblywoman. Everyone of these was either not really a kind of politician, or a pretty obscure word.

Now some of these portmanteaus were pretty clever through the matching of phoneme clusters, and not just exact ones, but similar ones, and that's what's really cool about this tool, but ultimately I couldn't get what I was looking for!

At the very least it should use the words you entered!

Nevertheless, I definitely want to play with this more.

So, to the authors I'd say they've built something really cool and I'm looking forward to seeing how it can be improved.

Re: Portmanteau Generator

#63

The results are just incredible. The depth of the project is very deep. Case in point, chess+clock yields hourglasker (hourglass & Lasker). Lasker was a German chess champion, well known in chess circles but the average person would have no idea who he is. I wonder if this is using wikipedia or dbpedia to walk a graph and find words to stick together. That's the only way I could think of doing this.

That's really cool, but as I described above, my experience was different. The phoneme matching is really impressive but the word selection functionality seems pretty weak.

I had better luck with "large" and "cat" which gave me "colossalot", as in "colossal ocelot", which is a real winner.

However, I don't want to dismiss the hard work that went into this tool, despite my criticisms. It's very, very cool.

Re: Portmanteau Generator

#64
post #52
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, it comes up with "Beagle" and "Labrador" as synonyms of "cat". Color me unimpressed. This seems like something that has been done before, and the fact the paper has no references indicates to me that the author maybe didn't do background research. While [0] is different, I could have sworn I've seen a paper which discussed creating puns in this fashion. [0] http://www.aclweb.org/anthology/W05-1614

> On the other hand, it comes up with "Beagle" and "Labrador" as synonyms of "cat". Color me unimpressed. 'It doesn't matter whether a cat has floppy ears or yellow fur so long as it catches mice.'

Perhaps it's thinking in Ron Swanson terms:

"Any dog under fifty pounds is a cat and cats are useless."

Re: Portmanteau Generator

#65
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A think the right way to test such a tool is to start with a list of known portmanteaus or rhymes, and check if the tool successfully finds them, and with what precision and recall. Just having people plug in words and find things that they find interesting is going to result in people feeling it's better than it actually is. I tried a few examples, and while some of the outputs seemed "OK", they missed what seemed l…

I think the first step would be to use a tool for word selection that does a better job finding actual synonyms instead of "words that are vaguely the same".

The phoneme matching aspect of it obviously works very well. I think if you had more control over the words it would use, you'd get better results. See my comment about "politician" above. I've repeated tried combinations with the word politician in them, and none of the synonyms I would expect to show up ever showed up.

Re: Portmanteau Generator

#68

Your generator keeps suggesting me to use the n-word (hard r) and I am not putting anything racist in. Can you please add some filters?

I would even go so far as to say he should just take that word out of his dictionary. There's never a time that it should serve it as a suggestion, IMO.

Totally agree and yet I get downvoted, presumably by those who enjoyed the n word in the program.
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