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Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by JaumeGreen »

melenaboija wrote: post #25
JaumeGreen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misundertood my comment. Propaganda is what is done in Spain to make people look at fake problems instead of the real ones. I don't think this report is propaganda.

I know you are not saying the report is propaganda, but I understand you mean appearing in media is. What I am saying is that besides the intention of the article (which is Bloomberg giving UN results) these are facts. Seeing this facts stated might help others and it does not mean stop fighting for other causes in the country.

> I know you are not saying the report is propaganda, but I understand you mean appearing in media is.

No, I do not mean what you are saying.

I was talking about what is on the newspapers these days on here:

* Catalonia

* Next general elections (on April)

* "Minor" cases of corruption (relative to others in either money amount or the person affected)

* Football (Soccer for the people from USA)

* Venezuela

* "Famous" people (only famous because they appear on media as "famous")

* Bad migrants

* Memes

What is not talked about is:

* Mayor cases of corruption

* Dismantling of the public sector (before it was in big steps, now it is in small ones)

* Housing bubble (again)

* Low salaries

* Bad support to small entreperneurs

* The reasons why there are more migrants and what to do

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by rimliu »

lettergram wrote: post #27

There’s something wrong with the methodology here when Cuba is ranked higher than the US. People are starving in Cuba, with no health care...

There is also a possibility what something is wrong with healthcare in USA, don't you think? Like, say, people not going to doctors because they cannot afford it. And when they finally go, it's already too late? Like obesity not adding to the health of the population. Etc. etc. And are people really starving in Cuba?

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

lettergram wrote: post #27

There’s something wrong with the methodology here when Cuba is ranked higher than the US. People are starving in Cuba, with no health care...

You know that Cuban people live longer than American, right? How do you explain that if people are healthier in the US than in Cuba.

I personally would rather prefer live an average life in Cuba than in the US (and I visited both).

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by dagw »

antr wrote: post #26
pjc50 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are those numbers inflation-adjusted? Raw expenditure tells us nothing about whether or not it has been privatised, too. Often the privatised services are more expensive - after all, they have to pay dividends.

1. the numbers are government healthcare expenditure, not private healthcare expenditure 2. CPI won't change a the bottom line take-away. Feel free to run the numbers.

1. the numbers are government healthcare expenditure, not private healthcare expenditure

Sure, but what percentage of that government expenditure is going to private health care providers? And how has that number changed over time?

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by lbfkbsjcn73 »

antr wrote: post #19
manuelflara wrote: post #7

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Indeed, the public healthcare system in Spain, while still great compared to most of the world, is a shadow of what it once was, with the rampant privatization done by the Government in the last decade. A really sad situation. That being said, decent private healthcare here is about 100€/month, so while private healthcare is still considered "a luxury" (because public one is pretty good), it's still very very far fro…

Rampant privatization? Spain's public healthcare expenditure[1] was: 38.552 €bn in 2002, and 66.678 €bn in 2016 (latest official year), this is a 73% increase in 14 years. On other hand while population was 41.31 m in 2002, and 46.48 m in 2016, A 13% increase. This is a 53% net increase in expenditure per capita. I'm curious to know what "rampant privatization" to you means, as government/public expenditure has by no…

Out of interest i did a very rough calculation of what inflation-adjusted numbers might look like. I pulled 4% per year inflation out of my ear, and came up with:

    38.552 €bn * 1.04^(2016-2002)
    =>
    66.76 €bn
..which is uncannily close to your numbers. Inflation probably wasn't exactly 4% YoY, but if it is, then in real Euros, the expenditure per population has decreased.

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by jerven »

refurb wrote: post #23
afpx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's going on with Luxembourg? 6330.9 cigarettes, per person, per year (which is over six times the US consumption). And, they're ranked still 11th on the Bloomberg list.

Cigarette taxes? Maybe they are lower there, so people buy them to sell in other countries?

Exactly, 20 to 30% lower. So like gas(fuel for cars) a lot of people going via Luxembourg taking summer holiday take the opportunity to stock up.

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

lettergram wrote: post #27

There’s something wrong with the methodology here when Cuba is ranked higher than the US. People are starving in Cuba, with no health care...

People are starving in the U.S. of A. as well. And healthcare is nearly inaccessible to them. And what they can get, some law makers want to take away or make even harder to get.

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by RobertoG »

antr wrote: post #26
pjc50 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are those numbers inflation-adjusted? Raw expenditure tells us nothing about whether or not it has been privatised, too. Often the privatised services are more expensive - after all, they have to pay dividends.

1. the numbers are government healthcare expenditure, not private healthcare expenditure 2. CPI won't change a the bottom line take-away. Feel free to run the numbers.

So, you don't take into account inflation, not GDP per capita grow, not population ageing, but the take-away should be the same.

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by lettergram »

lultimouomo wrote: post #29
lettergram wrote: post #27

There’s something wrong with the methodology here when Cuba is ranked higher than the US. People are starving in Cuba, with no health care...

Why do you assume the problem is with the methodology of the study? Cuba has a longer life expectancy than US. As a European, I'd say there's something wrong with US approach to health: people living under a dictatorship in a poor country have better health than Americans.

I’d love to see real stats on that. All I ever see is the statement that there’s this huge problem in the US. Yet, when I travel I see tons of people without teeth, starving in the street, etc. It’s anecdotal, but I cannot imagine these countries are equivalent.

I’ve even seen the claim healthcare is super good outside the United stares. Although it costs more, the US had a top notch system for medical care. They can see a doctor in minutes, get open heart surgery, and go home for Further, Longer life expectancy means little by itself doesn’t mean much. What if a group is predisposed to disease via their genetics? Is that country not counting deaths of children, are the mothers less likely to carry to term, etc? Even if you controlled for everything, you’d also need good records are kept (something I doubt on Cuba).

My point is a lot of time this data is so fuzzy, it’s meaningless. Give me 100 stats and I can mess with the weights until Spain is #1 or #50 easily in healthcare. There needs to be lots of care to make solid claims and I don’t think that was done here, I think they wanted viewership.

Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by conflagration »

refurb wrote: post #23
afpx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's going on with Luxembourg? 6330.9 cigarettes, per person, per year (which is over six times the US consumption). And, they're ranked still 11th on the Bloomberg list.

Cigarette taxes? Maybe they are lower there, so people buy them to sell in other countries?

You are right about that, I lived in Trier, a German town next to the border to Luxembourg. A lot of people in the area went there just to fill their tanks (gas is around 20 cent less per liter) and stock up on cigarettes and coffee.
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