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Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Re: Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index – 2019 edition

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Post by collyw »

adrinavarro wrote: post #9
nairboon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are the main problems in Spain, according to what most people think? (I'm not very familiar with Spain)

National politics (Catalonia, etc). But there's also an endemic issue with spending on unnecessary infrastructure while underfunding heavily used infrastructure (such as public transportation in large cities); our budgets never seem to be able to reduce debt, and our pension system is doomed to explode, because eventually there will be more retired than working people.

Given that the life expectancy is so high maybe it makes sense to raise the retirement age here by a few years more.

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Post by lordnacho »

bostonpete wrote: post #4

Wow, that's surprising to me because of smoking alone. When I lived there briefly in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone smoked. I wonder if that's changed dramatically or is just drowned out by other metrics...

This seems to have massively changed all over Europe. When I was a kid in the 90s you could go into bars that were foggy with smoke. TV characters would do it.

Nowadays it's generally not cool anymore, it's seen as a vice and people will sdmit so when they ask if it's okay.

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Post by alfonsodev »

bostonpete wrote: post #4

Wow, that's surprising to me because of smoking alone. When I lived there briefly in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone smoked. I wonder if that's changed dramatically or is just drowned out by other metrics...

and begging of 2000s, my first job as programmer was in a small design company(Besides that, sun light is very healthy, we see all the time articles about vitamin D, I think the way of living of Italians and Spanish of being more in the outside because the good weather might influence too, hard to know for sure.

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Post by collyw »

bostonpete wrote: post #4

Wow, that's surprising to me because of smoking alone. When I lived there briefly in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone smoked. I wonder if that's changed dramatically or is just drowned out by other metrics...

Number 40 on this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette...

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Post by melenaboija »

JaumeGreen wrote: post #2

> "Primary care is essentially provided by public providers, specialized family doctors and staff nurses, who provide preventive services to children, women and elderly patients, and acute and chronic care," The public healthcare here in Spain has an endemic problem of ever reducing budgets, and it's so saturated (because of that) that most people that can also get private healthcare. When politicians touch that is t…

Spanish healthcare is among the best in the world despite the problems.

Also, quite bold calling propaganda a report from United Nations analyzing population health. What do other problems the country has have to do with the people health?

Maybe your comment contains some propaganda too.

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Post by JaumeGreen »

melenaboija wrote: post #15
JaumeGreen wrote: post #2

> "Primary care is essentially provided by public providers, specialized family doctors and staff nurses, who provide preventive services to children, women and elderly patients, and acute and chronic care," The public healthcare here in Spain has an endemic problem of ever reducing budgets, and it's so saturated (because of that) that most people that can also get private healthcare. When politicians touch that is t…

Spanish healthcare is among the best in the world despite the problems. Also, quite bold calling propaganda a report from United Nations analyzing population health. What do other problems the country has have to do with the people health? Maybe your comment contains some propaganda too.

I think you misundertood my comment.

Propaganda is what is done in Spain to make people look at fake problems instead of the real ones.

I don't think this report is propaganda.

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Post by antr »

manuelflara wrote: post #7
JaumeGreen wrote: post #2

> "Primary care is essentially provided by public providers, specialized family doctors and staff nurses, who provide preventive services to children, women and elderly patients, and acute and chronic care," The public healthcare here in Spain has an endemic problem of ever reducing budgets, and it's so saturated (because of that) that most people that can also get private healthcare. When politicians touch that is t…

Indeed, the public healthcare system in Spain, while still great compared to most of the world, is a shadow of what it once was, with the rampant privatization done by the Government in the last decade. A really sad situation. That being said, decent private healthcare here is about 100€/month, so while private healthcare is still considered "a luxury" (because public one is pretty good), it's still very very far fro…

Rampant privatization?

Spain's public healthcare expenditure[1] was:

    38.552 €bn in 2002, and
    66.678 €bn in 2016 (latest official year),
this is a 73% increase in 14 years.

On other hand while population was

    41.31 m in 2002, and
    46.48 m in 2016,
A 13% increase. This is a 53% net increase in expenditure per capita. I'm curious to know what "rampant privatization" to you means, as government/public expenditure has by no means slowed down, quite the contrary.

In my opinion, healthcare expenditure is out of control. But that is a completely different debate.

[1] http://www.mscbs.gob.es/en/estadEstudios/estadisticas/inforR...

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Post by afpx »

collyw wrote: post #14
bostonpete wrote: post #4

Wow, that's surprising to me because of smoking alone. When I lived there briefly in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone smoked. I wonder if that's changed dramatically or is just drowned out by other metrics...

Number 40 on this list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette...

What's going on with Luxembourg? 6330.9 cigarettes, per person, per year (which is over six times the US consumption). And, they're ranked still 11th on the Bloomberg list.
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