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Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#11
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? It sounds like you're basically "freaking out".

First off, take a step back and recalibrate yourself. I'll share some advice that works but sounds crazy.

1. Start waking up in the morning and remind yourself that you've succeeded in the past.

2. Tell yourself that you're good. I'm not joking, literally, tell yourself in the mirror. I did say some of this shit sounds crazy.

3. Be confident - if you lose confidence in yourself, so will everyone else.

4. Create a realistic road map of what you want. Chip away at it. Don't pause every day asking yourself "How far you've come since yesterday?" I do that when I'm trying to lose weight, and I tell you.. it takes 4 weeks to lose 8lbs. Hell, I can gain 8 pounds in a day.. wtf right? Success is the say way. Failure can happen overnight, but success takes time. Eventually, I will see more than just my toes and my toilet will thank me.

5. Get out of your house daily, open your windows and remember life naturally ends one day. So right now step up and play the game hard. I come to realize that no one will give a shit in 1,000 years about how great or how bad I was.. no one. And those that _might_, Fuck'em™ because I don't know who they are anyhow. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

6. Stop thinking and talking negative - You're creating some really be neural wiring in your head. Start rewiring your mind for success.

I'm not trying to save the world here or anything. My mom tells me you can't force anyone to change, only they can improve themselves. I know what it's like to deal with some shitty life events. I learned to care a lot less about my failures, enjoy my victors and really enjoy the journey.

Here's a taste of some shit I experienced. Raised by a mother who had 2 kids by 17. She got her ass beat daily at home by my father; who has AIDS. I lost over 8 friends to suicide (Uncle hung himself), 4+ from murder (one was raped and murdered in high school), a man who was like my father died on my 17th birthday of cancer, my brothers ex-girlfriend who he wanted to married died at 21 in a car wreck, I was homeless for 6 months (while working in IT.. long story and FYI the Holland Tunnel Hotel in New Jersey isn't a 4 out of 5 start rating like Yelp says.. trust me..), I slept on the floor from 17 until 25 because I had no bed, I worked two jobs to put my mom through college and went to trade school at night only to get a job programming for $30k a year and I can go on and on... BUT... no one really gives a shit.. I don't even care about the shit I been through because the past is immutable.

My life motto - Fuck'em™

Feel free to use my motto and when you find your way, send $1 to $rburton on Square Cash app. I'm just kidding about the send money. Pick your head up because your neck wasn't design to support a dangling head.

If you need any advice feel free to him me up on my username at the Google-0-Mail.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#12

I'm 44 with fewer years of experience as a developer than yourself. I've been through the job hunting meat grinder a couple times in the last year myself. I've been homeless in the past, too. Here's what I have to say: - therapy is for people who can afford it; don't get hung up on the fact that you can't afford it, and do what you gotta do to keep going - leave your personal drama out of the interview, no matter wha…

Great advice. I would add to this -

Better` is quite subjective & varies from situation to situation. People can be better or worse in a lot of attributes when compared to one another.

Being depressed won't help. You really really need to figure out why you're not being selected. Are you asking for too much salary? Applying to the wrong roles? How does your resume look? Have you got some feedback from the interviews that you can work on?

Since your not employed - how do you spend your free time? I would advice working on some side project, open source project, working on your people &communication skills would be good use of the free time.

This ex google guy on youtube talks a lot about software development, engineering, interviews etc. I have found the content quite helpful - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xKdmAXFh4ACyhpiQ_3qBw

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#13
post #12

I'm 44 with fewer years of experience as a developer than yourself. I've been through the job hunting meat grinder a couple times in the last year myself. I've been homeless in the past, too. Here's what I have to say: - therapy is for people who can afford it; don't get hung up on the fact that you can't afford it, and do what you gotta do to keep going - leave your personal drama out of the interview, no matter wha…

Great advice. I would add to this - Better` is quite subjective & varies from situation to situation. People can be better or worse in a lot of attributes when compared to one another. Being depressed won't help. You really really need to figure out why you're not being selected. Are you asking for too much salary? Applying to the wrong roles? How does your resume look? Have you got some feedback from the interviews…

I like the TechLead's channel, too. He can be a little sarcastic at times, which may not be obvious if you only watch one or two of his videos.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#14
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Great advice. I would add to this - Better` is quite subjective & varies from situation to situation. People can be better or worse in a lot of attributes when compared to one another. Being depressed won't help. You really really need to figure out why you're not being selected. Are you asking for too much salary? Applying to the wrong roles? How does your resume look? Have you got some feedback from the interviews…

I like the TechLead's channel, too. He can be a little sarcastic at times, which may not be obvious if you only watch one or two of his videos.

Yeah, he is quite saractic :) But he just cuts through all the bs.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#15
Stay strong, you have the will. Please seek help if you keep having these thoughts. You should be able to find free help on that matter.

Practicing sport keeps my mind focused and the negative thoughts away. I find it a great free anti depressant.

I subscribed to Indeed Prime, they offer free coaching (resume help, mock interviews...). With your background, you should be selected.

Have you got feedbacks from employers?

Did you apply to unemployment? Can you take a side job in the meantime (e.g. Uber)?

Don’t overload yourself and do a little everyday.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#16

There is power in not caring about your life. The only path to true freedom is a willingness to die. If you're ok with death, there is nothing anyone can throw at you or hoops they can make you jump through that can be any worse. Fuck everyone. You're alive and capable.

Easy to talk like that from a cozy chair with a full plate..

People that have been there or in extreme poverty, dont want to go back there no matter what.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#17
post #12

I'm 44 with fewer years of experience as a developer than yourself. I've been through the job hunting meat grinder a couple times in the last year myself. I've been homeless in the past, too. Here's what I have to say: - therapy is for people who can afford it; don't get hung up on the fact that you can't afford it, and do what you gotta do to keep going - leave your personal drama out of the interview, no matter wha…

Great advice. I would add to this - Better` is quite subjective & varies from situation to situation. People can be better or worse in a lot of attributes when compared to one another. Being depressed won't help. You really really need to figure out why you're not being selected. Are you asking for too much salary? Applying to the wrong roles? How does your resume look? Have you got some feedback from the interviews…

There is no switch to "turn off" depression. It's a long process. What has worked for me in the past is connecting to others. Take a class, refresh skills, join an outdoor club, find a meetup, either a programming meetup or even something else. Exercise is a cheap form of anti-depressants.

I have also found finding or hiring a job coach (offering a post hiring fee) to be VERY helpful.

Trying to lift oneself out of a downward spiral is extremely difficult.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with job hunting and depression?

#18
You may find this useful: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/04/25/mental-health-on-a-bud... It seems like bibliotherapy and free support groups might be a good match for you.

I'll ask a lot of questions, don't be offended if you've already thought of all of these ideas:

Have you heard any feedback about why you aren't getting any interest from employers? Can you ask your friends to review your resume and do a mock interview?

I've heard good things about getting feedback through http://interviewing.io.

Can you interview at a less selective company where you would be more likely to get an offer, just to get something? I know people who were able to get their first job at a non-profit such as a charity or library. Those positions probably don't pay well so there aren't as many applicants, but it can get you back on your feet.

Have you reached out to all previous managers and coworkers to see if they are aware of any opportunities?

It sounds like you don't currently have a job which means you can go about job search differently. I don't know if this is a possibility, but some companies have a situation where they pay you to work with them for a week, and then they decide if you are a good fit. This might help if you are fine at doing work but under perform in interviews.

Have you applied for unemployment or government aid?

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