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The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by danielsf »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #23

A fun dataset (how many people cannot spell using Google's text box) but a couple of points 1. I could not recognise my first picture so had to use the speech tab - which I swear sounds like Mark McGuires (with the S). So I add the extra S and of course get it "wrong". I know I am being picky but ... Secondly, how much of this dataset is Google being too good at correcting our spelling - I know I regularly send googl…

This is a live dataset. All the examples except for Britney Spears are using user-submitted answers.

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

gnomewascool wrote: post #25
jandrese wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this one of those cases where the wage slave at Ellis Island did a craptastic job of transliterating the name and they've been stuck with it ever since?

It's a case of the Latin transliteration not having a "natural"/intuitive pronunciation in English and hence a made-up pronunciation being used.[0] I think that the transliteration itself was "correct" (assuming that the original Ukrainian was Палагнюк). [0] https://chuckpalahniuk.net/author/frequently-asked-questions...

Where did the "g" (г) go, Palagniuk seems closer (or Palagnyuk may be better?).

I know a little Russian, perhaps this is different in Ukrainian?

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by williamdclt »

js2 wrote: post #19
Pigo wrote: post #11

>Chuck Palahniuk I've been reading his books since I found out who wrote Fight Club in 1999. My brain does NOT want to remember how to spell his name. It makes me feel like I have a learning disability.

I can never spell "bureaucracy" correctly without assistance. I always have to spell check it. Sometimes I can't even get close enough to spell check. I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with.

> I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with.

Probably because it's more french than english :) Not an easy one either: English speakers have a lot of trouble with the "u" sound and "eau" pronounced "o" is far from obvious.

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by PKop »

js2 wrote: post #19
Pigo wrote: post #11

>Chuck Palahniuk I've been reading his books since I found out who wrote Fight Club in 1999. My brain does NOT want to remember how to spell his name. It makes me feel like I have a learning disability.

I can never spell "bureaucracy" correctly without assistance. I always have to spell check it. Sometimes I can't even get close enough to spell check. I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with.

This is exactly the same for me... the hardest word to ever remember for as much as I use it.

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by js2 »

williamdclt wrote: post #33
js2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can never spell "bureaucracy" correctly without assistance. I always have to spell check it. Sometimes I can't even get close enough to spell check. I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with.

> I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with. Probably because it's more french than english :) Not an easy one either: English speakers have a lot of trouble with the "u" sound and "eau" pronounced "o" is far from obvious.

Apparently the two years of French I took in high school didn't help me with my English either. :-(

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by radicalbyte »

gnomewascool wrote: post #25
jandrese wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this one of those cases where the wage slave at Ellis Island did a craptastic job of transliterating the name and they've been stuck with it ever since?

It's a case of the Latin transliteration not having a "natural"/intuitive pronunciation in English and hence a made-up pronunciation being used.[0] I think that the transliteration itself was "correct" (assuming that the original Ukrainian was Палагнюк). [0] https://chuckpalahniuk.net/author/frequently-asked-questions...

It's easier to just pick a varient which works in your new language. I've changed the pronunciation of my name because they Dutch have know idea how to pronounce it. They can't spell it either, however the phonetic spelling is close enough so I just let it slide. It's not worth getting precious when your name is unique enough.

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by js2 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #28
js2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can never spell "bureaucracy" correctly without assistance. I always have to spell check it. Sometimes I can't even get close enough to spell check. I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with.

Can you spell bureau? Maybe you can make a mnemonic, how are you with spelling burette? A crazy person is using a burette with a gold (Au) end, extruding a 3D wireframe model of a desk (bureau): Bure(tte)+au+crazy ... and hopefully you can remember where the final "c" goes.

I cannot spell bureau. It trips me up even typing it. Maybe this is the thread that will have finally jammed it into my brain. I'll get back to you in a week or so. :-)

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by gnomewascool »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #32
gnomewascool wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a case of the Latin transliteration not having a "natural"/intuitive pronunciation in English and hence a made-up pronunciation being used.[0] I think that the transliteration itself was "correct" (assuming that the original Ukrainian was Палагнюк). [0] https://chuckpalahniuk.net/author/frequently-asked-questions...

Where did the "g" (г) go, Palagniuk seems closer (or Palagnyuk may be better?). I know a little Russian, perhaps this is different in Ukrainian?

The Ukrainian г is pronounced as something intermediate between English hard "g" and "h" (ɦ in IPA)[0][1], so it's often transliterated as h.[2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_alphabet#Letter_name...

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ɦ

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian#Tabl...

Re: The Gyllenhaal Experiment

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Post by zepearl »

js2 wrote: post #35
williamdclt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of any other English words I have such trouble with. Probably because it's more french than english :) Not an easy one either: English speakers have a lot of trouble with the "u" sound and "eau" pronounced "o" is far from obvious.

Apparently the two years of French I took in high school didn't help me with my English either. :-(

7 years french => I keep screwing up "Peugeot" (cars)
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