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Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#71
post #17

Everyone and their cat wants to live as close as humanly possible to the hip center of the hip city. But of course, they literally do not want to pay the price. Why is there a vegan bakery specialized in Afghan Bagel[1] around the corner? Because there are enough hip, young professionals to pay for even the most unlikely specialty. Business can afford to cater to the most extraordinary taste, but only because there a…

Why did you need to vent that? How does it affect your life that people like unique specialty shops and, like literally every other human who's ever been alive, want a good value on where they live? You come off incredibly condescending writing this.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#72
post #4

Yes, housing is a right not a speculation opportunity. Also there should be opportunities for people to get their own houses, like cheap credits with a monthly payment close to the rent.

>Yes, housing is a right not a speculation opportunity. Let's say I agree with this idea and let's also ignore the fact that by stating it's a right, we are implicitly stating that someone else needs to pay for it with their own money if you cannot. If housing is a right, does that necessarily mean that housing in a specific area is a right? I mean, I'd love a beachfront property in Maui but we can't all have that. I…

> Let's say I agree with this idea and let's also ignore the fact that by stating it's a right, we are implicitly stating that someone else needs to pay for it with their own money if you cannot.

Yup, we do that sort of thing all the time in Europe. I know zero people that went bankrupt because of an unexpected serious illness and I know zero people that dislike the idea that we should all pool our resources so that universal health care is possible. This also applies to education, unemployment and other things. And yes, housing.

In fact, most of the western world is more similar to Europe than to the US in this regard. Surprisingly, people from the US speak as if social-democracy is impossible somehow... It is not perfect for sure, but many aspects of modern US sound like a a dystopia to me.

> If housing is a right, does that necessarily mean that housing in a specific area is a right?

Agreed, but it should be possible to have renting contracts that do not make you move out of the place you have lived for half a century because some rich kids arrive with macbook pros and a taste for overpriced bad coffee. In fact, this is the case in Berlin, which of course means that some landlords start playing dirty tricks.

I am for freedom. I think that people should, as much as possible, live as they wish. If you and your friends want to build Galt's Gulch, more power to you. If Berliners want to stay away from those games, more power to us.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yes, housing is a right not a speculation opportunity. Let's say I agree with this idea and let's also ignore the fact that by stating it's a right, we are implicitly stating that someone else needs to pay for it with their own money if you cannot. If housing is a right, does that necessarily mean that housing in a specific area is a right? I mean, I'd love a beachfront property in Maui but we can't all have that. I…

> "I mean, I'd love a beachfront property in Maui but we can't all have that" The person you're replying to is basically saying: "having a place you can stay in, to keep you alive and going rather than homeless and broken, a safety net in essence - should be a right". Your response: "but we can't hand over free beachfront properties in Maui for everyone". You're diverting the discussion ("but look at what communism d…

This isn't just about having shelter, this is about having it in Berlin specifically. Who is entitled to that? The answer can't be "everyone".

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#74
post #9

The truth is that rents in Berlin are exceptionally cheap compared to other major cities. Try finding a flat in London or Paris for The only way to keep rents this low in the face of rising demand is public housing that is rented out below market rates to low income tenants, or via a lottery.

> The only way to keep rents this low in the face of rising demand is public housing that is rented out below market rates to low income tenants, or via a lottery.

Or you know, build more housing.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#75

Not a hard limit. Just progressive tax that makes owning much real estate very expensive and in effect unprofitable.

Why wouldn't everyone's rent increase by whatever that tax is? There's already an incentive to create additional density, money. More units, more money. If there's some tax that the owner also has to account for that changes nothing. It's no different than any other increase in overhead. It just gets passed on.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#76
I've always thought that the advent of self-driving cars will contribute to urban sprawl and lower housing prices. I'd happily live somewhere with a 1 hr commute if rent was $3k/month cheaper and I could get work done on the way there and back with no distractions.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#77

I've always thought that the advent of self-driving cars will contribute to urban sprawl and lower housing prices. I'd happily live somewhere with a 1 hr commute if rent was $3k/month cheaper and I could get work done on the way there and back with no distractions.

In some cities 1 hour commute is from one side of the city to the center or the other way around, not from suburbs to city. My commute is 1.5 hours per direction inside the city, going out would take more. Also spending 2 hours in a car, even self driven, is not the best way to spend your time. Otherwise you can live in a RV parked in front of your office.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#78
post #57
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that was my impression when reading the article as well. If the problem is that new landlords are raising the rent by inordinate amounts, maybe that is what you should restrict instead. Though I’m not really opposed to breaking up big landlords either, it feels a bit disingenuous to punish people (or companies) for success.

> it feels a bit disingenuous to punish people (or companies) for success. Have been there as well. My current position on this is, that the sources for success are hardly one dimensional. Sure hard work helps, but it also helps to happen to have good contacts, be born rich, be beautiful and tall, been grown up in the right social circles, having met the right people etc. So it‘s less punishing hard work, and more cr…

While I agree that there's many factors that go into success anyone looking to control for luck at scale had better be willing to rack up an impressive body count because those kinds of systemic changes to society are never peaceful. People will not just accept being told they do not deserve what they have and that it is the result of luck. You are not going to get people to give up what they have without a lot of force.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#79
post #50

I live in a different but still expensive Germany city and rent a apartment from a city-owned public housing company. The rent of the landlord's apartments is 20-30% lower than what you would pay in the free market, and in my neighbourhood I can get a pretty good idea of what people do to get one of those highly desired apartments. It's just crazy. I have heard everything short of bribing the person responsible for s…

Thanks for sharing, I found that very interesting.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

#80

Regulate behaviour, not ownership. If you want landlords to behave better, then rather than keeping them small, stick limits on what they can do.

You can only regulate what you can measure. Ownership is very easy to measure. And tax progressively.

Taxes are not a punishment, it is a fair contribution to the costs of having a government and society. If you make it a punishment you turn it into the whip you use to herd cattle, recognizing you treat people like cattle.
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